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Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

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  • Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

    A brief history:

    About 10 years ago I took a loan out with Black Horse finance. Not so long after that my marriage suddenly broke down and left me with all sorts of issues. One of the issues became finance so I had to abandon certain agreements and focus on getting the useful stuff arranged. Luckily, it didnt take so long for me to resume normal living but by that time this loan had Defaulted. What Black Horse done with it after the default is unknown to me to this day.

    Fast forward to February 2016 and on one of my regular browses of my credit report (courtesy of Noddle) I spot a CCJ having been recorded. However, the address it was recorded at was my previous address and not my current one. Time to do some digging then. Straight away I could see that the creditor (Hillesden) had accessed my credit report in April 2015, the same credit report confirmed my current address and entry into the electoral role in December 2014. Therefore, im pretty sure they knew my current (and therefore last known) address.

    So, in went the N244 (before the price rise thankfully) on the grounds documents were not served. The response from Restons Solicitors was a Witness Statement and a copy of their final letter (part of the Pre Action Protocol they barely abide by). This letter and the Witness Statement refer to Cabot Financial as being the company taking the action. So, back to the credit reports and on my Equifax report I find 2 trace enquiries performed by Cabot in September 2015, one at my previous address, one at my current address.

    Now things get more interesting. The final letter from Restons (acting for Cabot), referred to as DLC1 was written in mid November and as I didnt respond to it they issued a claim in early December, all at my previous address. Of course, the claim was undefended so they were awarded the judgement for something approaching £4K.

    Anyway, had the N244 hearing a few days ago and the Restons representative was very aggressively pushing the judge to dismiss the case on 2 grounds, they claim they served correctly according to the CPR 1998 and 2, the debt isnt statute barred as payments were made in 2010. No evidence of this was forthcoming as he couldnt find it in his bundle (I know he had it though, I got a brief look at it).

    I wasnt well prepared, I had no idea what was required of me so the Judge (irritated by the Restons rep it seems) adjourned for 21 days and made the point that he would be taking the next hearing personally. I was instructed to get my Witness Statement in order and on his desk within 7 days (with a copy to Restons). All this I have done with some great help from the local CAB.

    All this will be in the post (Special Delivery) shortly but one thing that did come up in conversation is how do I defend against the claim that payments were made on the account? I know the limitations act is a bit woolly on the payments thing but the chap at CAB told me there is some case law out there that clarifies the payment must be made by the debtor and not just anybody.

    I would like a copy of that piece as a backup plan in court on the day. My fear is that the Judge will just say that payment has been made in accordance with the limitations act therefore I lose. In fact, the Judge sided with the Restons rep when he made the point that it didnt matter who paid on the account, just that a payment was paid. Being able to refute that on the spot (I may even slip it into the Witness Statement) as supporting evidence covers the only base that I am not confident on.

    In essence, my case is that the service of documents knowingly to the wrong address has disadvantaged me on the grounds I have a defence that the alleged debt is Statute Barred.

    Sorry for the long first post but does anybody know where I can find the piece of case law im after? I will keep the forum updated on progress as it happens.
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    Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

    Hi 9000Parts,
    Has no-one come forward with any help yet?

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      Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

      :bump:ing [MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION] xx
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      • #4
        Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

        Originally posted by spud1 View Post
        Hi 9000Parts,
        Has no-one come forward with any help yet?
        Hi spud1

        Posts can (& do) get missed from time to time.
        If necessary or desired, the poster can always :bump:


        @9000Parts

        Limitation Act 1980 s29(5)
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        • #5
          Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

          Reading post now,

          nem

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          • #6
            Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

            Hi, I'm sorry your original post was missed!
            When is the hearing?

            The onus of proof that any payment was made falls entirely upon the claimant, in my opinion both Restons and the judge are wrong any payment not made by you personally or an properly authorised person on your behalf cannot affect the LA " clock". You will have to have something ready to counter the claim that a payment was made.

            What exactly shows on your credit report? In particular the default date?

            Please tell me what you know about any payment(s) and what you have to refute them. What did you see in regard to the alleged payment?

            There have been some successes in the past when alleged payments have cropped up in seeking information from BH i.e. asking for the last payment date and termination date.

            Case law based on what?

            nem

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              Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

              Originally posted by nemesis45 View Post
              Hi, I'm sorry your original post was missed!
              When is the hearing?

              The onus of proof that any payment was made falls entirely upon the claimant, in my opinion both Restons and the judge are wrong any payment not made by you personally or an properly authorised person on your behalf cannot affect the LA " clock". You will have to have something ready to counter the claim that a payment was made.

              What exactly shows on your credit report? In particular the default date?

              Please tell me what you know about any payment(s) and what you have to refute them. What did you see in regard to the alleged payment?

              There have been some successes in the past when alleged payments have cropped up in seeking information from BH i.e. asking for the last payment date and termination date.

              Case law based on what?

              nem
              Things have progressed nicely on this one.

              Had the Set Aside hearing which got adjourned quite quickly. I was not really prepared but the Restons rep got himself all tangled up so Judge asked me to get my WS in in 7 days and told Restons to get theirs in 7 days following that. Wrote up my WS concentrating on the wrong address issue (I now have pretty compelling proof they knowingly issued to my previous address) and also that its very Statute Barred.

              In return from Restons I got a Consent Order to set aside and withdraw. I turned them down as they didnt offer to cover any costs. I offered them my costs total and they came back with an offer of £120 to withdraw. I declined.

              Deadline for their WS passed and instead got a Notice of Discontinuance from them. Not sure they can pull that one yet though because as it stands they are trying to withdraw a case they have already won. Set aside has not yet been granted. With this though its clear they wont be fighting so I will go for the case to be struck out and ask for costs when the next hearing comes about.

              My thoughts now are taking Cabot to task over them knowingly instructing Restons to use the wrong address. Like I said, Ive got some very good, very compelling evidence they knew the address they used was out of date and they knew what my current address was before they instructed Restons. Any ideas?

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                Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

                Originally posted by 9000Parts View Post
                Things have progressed nicely on this one.

                Had the Set Aside hearing which got adjourned quite quickly. I was not really prepared but the Restons rep got himself all tangled up so Judge asked me to get my WS in in 7 days and told Restons to get theirs in 7 days following that. Wrote up my WS concentrating on the wrong address issue (I now have pretty compelling proof they knowingly issued to my previous address) and also that its very Statute Barred.

                In return from Restons I got a Consent Order to set aside and withdraw. I turned them down as they didnt offer to cover any costs. I offered them my costs total and they came back with an offer of £120 to withdraw. I declined.

                Deadline for their WS passed and instead got a Notice of Discontinuance from them. Not sure they can pull that one yet though because as it stands they are trying to withdraw a case they have already won. Set aside has not yet been granted. With this though its clear they wont be fighting so I will go for the case to be struck out and ask for costs when the next hearing comes about.

                My thoughts now are taking Cabot to task over them knowingly instructing Restons to use the wrong address. Like I said, Ive got some very good, very compelling evidence they knew the address they used was out of date and they knew what my current address was before they instructed Restons. Any ideas?
                Hi,

                I've been looking over a number (considerable) of Cabot /Restons claims and am drawn to conclude that Restons are left to do as they see fit by Cabot, quite often one point stands out in that we see Restons stating that they have no record of CCA requests however a request has been made to CABOT little or no communication between solicitor and client.


                I agree that your evidence seems conclusive both Cabot and Restons knew all to well that they were using an old address.

                At the hearing make sure to have a bullet pointed breakdown of what you want t put over and what you want from the court and Restons it'll make sure that you don't miss a vital point!

                nem

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                • #9
                  Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

                  Hi 9000parts,
                  I am now intrigued with your case!
                  Please keep us updated.
                  Cabot really are a scummy bunch.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

                    Todays update is something you really couldnt make up. Phoned the Courts as I havent had anything form them regarding the next hearing. Turns out they are also sending correspondance to my old address. I checked my copy of the N244 that started this and sure enough my current address is there for them to see and use. Anybody familiar with the N244 will know the address box asks for an address to send all correspondence to. A very curt email has been dispatched this evening to the Court Manager with a few demands in it including a full explanation why they failed to send stuff to the correct address and what steps they are taking to rectify and ensure I am not disadvantaged by this error.

                    The conspiracy theorist in me makes me think my local Courthouse has a Rectums employee running the show for them.

                    Still trying to decide what to do with Cabot. Not really found any other cases where there is such clear and compelling evidence of them trying to slip a default CCJ in using previous address details. Lots of cases where it has happened but nobody else has managed to dig out anything this clear. My thoughts are that I should SAR Cabots with a request for the information they received from Equifax on the date they done their Trace Enquiries and remind them that I already know what they received but want to see it from them too.

                    If only they had agreed to pay my costs I would let this all go quiet. They have missed that boat now so unless they make a very enhanced offer I will just keep gathering up some loose ends ready for a counter attack. Does anybody have any other bright ideas what I can do. Are Cabots covered by the CPR rules as they instructed Restons and CPR section on service would be a slaim dunk as they did not use my last known address knowingly. Im in for the long haul on this one but dont want to waste time and energy on dead ends so good ideas are welcome on fighting back.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hello and Welcome to my fight with Hillesden/Cabot on a Statute Barred Debt.

                      https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/pr...l/rules/part06

                      Esp 6.8(a) & 6.9
                      CAVEAT LECTOR

                      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                      Cohen, Herb


                      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                      gets his brain a-going.
                      Phelps, C. C.


                      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                      The last words of John Sedgwick

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