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  • MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

    my husband took out a card with MBNA in May 2003. At first his credit limit was 3500. At some point MBNA increased the credit limit without asking. I cannot remember how much they increased it by. In 2003 his first 6 months were at 0% interest, then the interest on any unpaid amount went up to 15% APR. Between 2003 and 2008 he paid the amount fully off at least couple of times. As we ran into financial trouble because of serious health problems and could not maintain the regular required monthly payments, MBNA lowered his credit limit and put the interest charges up (to 36%, if I remember well). Because of all that, his account amounted into a massive amount of charges; I do not know how many charges, as we do not have any MBNA statements from that time.

    - Can I request from MBNA his statements for 2003 till 2009?
    - How long do they keep the statements for?
    - How much should I pay for the statements, if they still have them?

    My husband made his last payment to MBNA in December 2009. So, we are nearly there ( I mean, Statute Barr, if I understand it well), but not quite yet, as we would need to sit tight another year till December 2015.

    Now, in April 2012 we were notified by Active Kapital that they acquired the account from Experto Credite Limited. Then, for nearly a year and a half we did not hear from them. After that, Active Kapital sent us the Last Letter Before Legal Proceedings dated 29th November, 2013. The balance outstanding was for 8,862.90!

    By 20th December 2013 they filed to the County Court Bulk Centre in Northampton. My husband electronically defended the whole claim with reason that he ''çould not recall signing an agreement with MBNA'', which was true, as he could not remember if he ever sign anything with them, and we could not find any signed agreement with MBNA.

    After he filed defence, Active Kapital took the case off till May 2014 when they said that they have got sufficient information to proceed.

    Between May and August 2014 we had never received a form from the local County Court asking my husband when he would NOT be available to attend, as we knew his second operation to remove a tumour was due during the summer. So, in summer after his operation (second one out of possibly four), he went to stay with parents to rest. Now, when we were away, the Court finally sent the confirmation with the date for the upcoming hearing. On our return we found a judgement against him being entered by the Court. So, the Court ordered my husband to pay 12,193.70 + 335 for costs!

    Since then, we have NOT paid a penny to Active Kapital. My husband asked the judge for Variation order, which was entered in October. Since then, he asked the judge for reducing the monthly payments even further. So, now, finally he has got an upcoming 10 minute hearing on 27th November.

    Can he still do anything at this point (pity, I have not come across your site earlier)?

    I mean, can we write to MBNA and ask them for statements, so as to dispute the amount that was eventually passed to MBNA (nearly 9 grant! - from where they took that figure?). Unfortunately, my husband signed the Court papers with the same signature that they produced on the agreement. Though, I am not entirely sure, if this agreement is totally valid, as the credit agreement is on a separate page, and his signature with date, credit limit (3500) and agreement number is on a different page.

    His account with MBNA was opened on 27th May 2003 and the default date is 31st December 2009.

    If we still can write to MBNA for that or something else, can my husband say to the judge that he is still dealing with the original creditor or something else? So, that he can gain time? He just needs another 14 months to pass to be let off this debt (please, don't take me wrong, we were paying all our debts whether minimum payments or in full for over 14 years until we got into serious health problems).

    Could someone help us with that, please?

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    Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

    Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
    My husband made his last payment to MBNA in December 2009. So, we are nearly there ( I mean, Statute Barr, if I understand it well), but not quite yet, as we would need to sit tight another year till December 2015.

    Now, in April 2012 we were notified by Active Kapital that they acquired the account from Experto Credite Limited. Then, for nearly a year and a half we did not hear from them. After that, Active Kapital sent us the Last Letter Before Legal Proceedings dated 29th November, 2013. The balance outstanding was for 8,862.90!

    By 20th December 2013 they filed to the County Court Bulk Centre in Northampton. My husband electronically defended the whole claim with reason that he ''çould not recall signing an agreement with MBNA'', which was true, as he could not remember if he ever sign anything with them, and we could not find any signed agreement with MBNA.

    After he filed defence, Active Kapital took the case off till May 2014 when they said that they have got sufficient information to proceed.

    Between May and August 2014 we had never received a form from the local County Court asking my husband when he would NOT be available to attend, as we knew his second operation to remove a tumour was due during the summer. So, in summer after his operation (second one out of possibly four), he went to stay with parents to rest. Now, when we were away, the Court finally sent the confirmation with the date for the upcoming hearing. On our return we found a judgement against him being entered by the Court. So, the Court ordered my husband to pay 12,193.70 + 335 for costs!
    Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
    If we still can write to MBNA for that or something else, can my husband say to the judge that he is still dealing with the original creditor or something else? So, that he can gain time? He just needs another 14 months to pass to be let off this debt (please, don't take me wrong, we were paying all our debts whether minimum payments or in full for over 14 years until we got into serious health problems).
    I have no problem whatsoever with him not wanting to pay MBNA, I also have an MBNA card that I've not paid since Jan 2010! :grin: :grin: :grin:

    Yes, they increased the rate to 36% in 2009 so I decided not to pay anymore.

    The problem I can see here is that you have misunderstood the concept of statute barred. Sadly it no longer applies once judgment has been obtained. In fact, the clock would have been reset when they issued court papers in December 2013, when there had been just 4 years without any payments.

    As it stands, this debt will never be statute barred because there is already a CCJ on it. Having said that, he could apply to have the judgment set aside if he can show he missed the hearing because of his operation and if he has a good prospect of defending the claim. He'd also have to explain the delay in applying for set aside.

    He'd need to submit an N244 application form and pay a fee of £155. He may be able to apply for remission of the court fee if he is on a low income or in receipt of certain benefits. Form ex160a provides full details.

    Most applications will be dealt with at a hearing. If the case began in a different court, it will be transferred to your local county court for a private hearing with a district judge. In some cases, the court can decide to allow your application without a hearing.

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      Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

      Today, I rang our local Court and asked them for a copy of N44 to be sent to us by post. They informed us of 155 to be paid - like you said. So, we will be filing it tomorrow or on Monday. The woman from the Court office said that it may take 3 weeks before they can allocate the time.

      We were looking closely at the signature on the paper the Aktiv Kapital presented to the court - looks photoshoped-like.

      Thank you for supplying the link to N44 Application online.

      http://hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.u...s/n244-eng.pdf

      Parrot: should I write in part

      3) that he is asking to have the judgement of date xxx set aside?
      10) that Aktiv Kapital produced a copy of an agreement with a signature that is not his (we were just wondering how come the signature is so neat whilst the background hardly legible...?). That among other things, as I have to check if the 14 days statutory time passed between MBNA serving the Last Before Action Letter and the day they filed the claim to court. But let's say they satisfy that, we are still mulling through the paperwork they produced. To be honest, the agreement does not look like an executed copy of an agreement. There are few other twitches. Perhaps, I just photocopy the bits and pieces and post them here, first.

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        Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

        I found a letter from MBNA dated 16th November 2009 with offer of 1) reduced payment plan or 20 partial settlement. There is no termination letter anywhere.

        I think the copy of an agreement is NOT an agreement, at least the copy is not a properly executed agreement.

        Aktiv Kapital sent in their Wittness Statement exhibits, a letter from MBNA to Varde. However, there is no date on it. There is no letter of where it went from Varde. Then, there is another letter from Aktiv Kapital dated 20/04/12 saying that they purchased the account from Varde Investments but further down it says to continue to pay to Experto Credite?

        I think I need to go to my local internet cafe to have the documents scanned.

        Before I posted this thread I have mulled over dozens of posts you have, hence I decided to ask you about my husband case, as it sounded very hopeful in many cases I read. However, they did give any updates as to what had happened after they had been to a hearing (most of them did not).

        I mulled over so many threads but just to give an example here, I mulled over:

        http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...-letter-needed

        http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...y-of-Agreement

        etc.

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          Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

          Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
          Today, I rang our local Court and asked them for a copy of N44 to be sent to us by post. They informed us of 155 to be paid - like you said. So, we will be filing it tomorrow or on Monday. The woman from the Court office said that it may take 3 weeks before they can allocate the time
          That would be for the hearing.

          Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
          We were looking closely at the signature on the paper the Aktiv Kapital presented to the court - looks photoshoped-like.
          Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
          10) that Aktiv Kapital produced a copy of an agreement with a signature that is not his (we were just wondering how come the signature is so neat whilst the background hardly legible...?). That among other things, as I have to check if the 14 days statutory time passed between MBNA serving the Last Before Action Letter and the day they filed the claim to court. But let's say they satisfy that, we are still mulling through the paperwork they produced. To be honest, the agreement does not look like an executed copy of an agreement. There are few other twitches. Perhaps, I just photocopy the bits and pieces and post them here, first.
          Originally posted by strawberrybabe View Post
          I found a letter from MBNA dated 16th November 2009 with offer of 1) reduced payment plan or 20 partial settlement. There is no termination letter anywhere.

          I think the copy of an agreement is NOT an agreement, at least the copy is not a properly executed agreement.

          Aktiv Kapital sent in their Wittness Statement exhibits, a letter from MBNA to Varde. However, there is no date on it. There is no letter of where it went from Varde. Then, there is another letter from Aktiv Kapital dated 20/04/12 saying that they purchased the account from Varde Investments but further down it says to continue to pay to Experto Credite?

          I think I need to go to my local internet cafe to have the documents scanned.
          Yes, it would help if you could post the documents. :typing:

          You may not need a scanner, you could take a picture with your phone, iPad, Galaxy, etc. most have cameras. hoto: This thread may be of some help: http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...r-details-safe!)

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          • #6
            Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

            [QUOTE=FlamingParrot




            Yes, it would help if you could post the documents. :typing: [/QUOTE]

            Here are the documents.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by strawberrybabe; 11th November 2014, 21:35:PM. Reason: unnecessary comment

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            • #7
              Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

              Dear Parrot, here are the scanned documents. AK sent them with the Witness Statement.

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              • #8
                Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                Were you able to open them? Should I resend them?

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                • #9
                  Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                  Sorry I wasn't around earlier.

                  Just downloading them now...

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                  • #10
                    Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                    When you got the card, would you have got that document with the card carrier?

                    Any idea how this card was applied for?

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                    • #11
                      Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                      Originally posted by FlamingParrot View Post
                      When you got the card, would you have got that document with the card carrier? I don't think so but I will check.

                      I don't know if you noticed, but the two documents are not the same. The one with signature looks 'photoshoped-like'. The same goes for the signature...

                      The one with signature is not my husband's signature that he used to use over 10 years. It looks more like a signature he uses now.


                      Any idea how this card was applied for?
                      Online in May 2003.

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                      • #12
                        Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                        A bit more information:

                        I don't know if it makes any difference now, but AK sent my husband two letters before the proceedings. One when they acquired it (I think it was January 2012 - if it is important I will check it), the second one they sent with a date of 29th November 2013 (this is the date typed on the letter).

                        In the Last Letter - the Letter before Legal Proceedings, they are saying that if the debt is not paid by 13th December 2013 then they will issue legal proceedings and that the amount of interest charges would be over to grand, etc.

                        Should they have given us 14 working days to be able to reply to the Last Letter Before Action?

                        Does it change anything now?

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                        • #13
                          Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                          In the Last Letter Before Action IND says that 'You have been sent a serious of letter asking for payment of the outstanding balance.' We only received two letters in a period of January 2012 (letter saying that AK acquired the debt) and a letter dated 29th November 2013 (The Last Before Action Letter. This letter arrived well into December, so they must have sent it in the beginning of December by 2nd Class mail...).

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                          • #14
                            Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                            Hi Flaming Parrot,

                            Just checked the copies of documents they sent are properly 'photoshoped'. They look more like the copy you see in the following thread:

                            http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...4&d=1359218251

                            Can you, see that?

                            I just checked the documents that he were sent in 2003. They look slightly different.

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                            • #15
                              Re: MBNA- Active Kapital went to Court and got a judgment. Could you help, please?

                              What shall we do now?

                              I also checked that the Defauly Notice from MBNA is 'faulty', as it is called in other threads, as it lists the whole amount MBNA is claiming from my husband and not the 'amount in arrears'. Aren't I right? But can we still do something now?
                              Last edited by strawberrybabe; 18th November 2014, 18:53:PM. Reason: spelling mistake

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