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    Hello everyone,

    I recently posted a thread about this, firstly thank you to everyone who helped me with that. But some new things have happened since and I have a few questions that I would be very grateful if someone could answer for me. I had an overdraft with hsbc with a default date of 05/05/09 and a credit card with a default date of 05/04/08. The overdraft was still on my credit file as the default date was under 6 years. The court sent me a claim form for the overdraft and I was advised on the forums that more than likely the overdraft was not statute barred yet and its very hard to pin point the COA without having the paperwork from the bank. I rang the dca and did acknowledge any of the two debts. I said I wanted more information on the date the alleged overdraft was recalled, they said we don't have this information and would need to get the papers from hsbc the OC. Now I wasn't willing to take the chance on the overdraft being statute barred as it was so close to the six years, so I managed to settle out of court for 50% less and as I was not working. I told them if it was not accepted, I would be offering 5 pounds a month to the courts and if I lost my defence and it would take them years to recover the debt. My first question is, as they admitted they did not have the paper work, should i have filed a defence in court and asked them to provide proof of this debt?, because as far as I am aware, if they don't have the documentation they cannot enforce the debt?, I am not sure if this is correct?. The reason I didn't go this route is because if they did manage to produce the documents the 50% discount would not have been an option and I would have had to pay the whole amount and probably get a CCJ, as I would have only able to afford instalments on the full amount. So I made a full and final settlement for 50% less of the full balance. I am unsure if I have gone about this the correct way?

    My second question is, I have still asked them to supply these documents, if they cant produce them and have no proof I owe this money can I claim back this money somehow?

    While I was on the phone they kept trying to mention this credit card, which is a separate account on their files. I told them I have no knowledge of this debt and have only phoned in relation to the alleged debt relating to the court claim. Now they have sent me a letter with the credit card account at the top saying thank you for your recent contact, and that they have put this credit card account on hold for one month because of my circumstances. I get the impression they are trying to make it look like I have had contact regarding the credit card, but the contact was made for the overdraft and I have proof of this. Could they be doing this to try and restart the statute barred clock? I am almost certain the credit card is statute barred default date 04/05/09 , no written acknowledgement , no payment after default date and no CCJ taken out against me on this credit card with the 6 years. Am I right in thinking once a debt is statute barred any payment or acknowledgement will still not unbar the debt? is this correct? either way I have not acknowledged anything to do with any credit card.

    Id be extremely grateful if I could get some advice. The overdraft I settled on was money borrowed from friends and has to be paid back and any further money relating to this credit card would not able to be paid.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
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    Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

    sorry I would just like to clarify, no court claim has been made for the credit card. Even though the amount is higher and the debt is older, they state its still with their collection department, which gives more me reason to believe it is statute barred as they haven't taken court action for this alleged debt.

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      Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

      Ref the Credit Card - with a default date of 05/04/08 ??? I would get a letter telling them it is statute barred off to them along with a CCA request for the documents on this in advance of them taking further action. Put a note at the top of your letters that you do not acknowledge any debt to them.

      On the overdraft case you settled - well, you settled, so that really is that. As you weren't willing to take the chance, and I don't blame you with it being an OD, you agreed a decent settlement of half the debt and avoided the possibility of the CCJ. So I'd just put that behind you now.
      #staysafestayhome

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        Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

        thank you for your quick reply. Yes as you advised me on this before, the overdraft was a tricky situation and I thought it was better to take the 50% than take the gamble and lose it, as it was so close to the statute barred 6 years. I guess i should be grateful and put it behind me.

        In regards to the credit card, do i just send off a standard statute barred template letter? and how do i request a cca?

        Thank you again so much for your help amethyst

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          Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

          Stat Barred Letter


          Dear Sir/Madam

          Re: Account No/Your Ref:

          No debt is acknowledged to your company yet you have contacted me regarding the above account.

          As I am sure you are aware, under the Limitation Act 1980, s.5 “an action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.”

          No correspondence/payment/acknowledgement of this debt has been made within the last six years and accordingly unless you can provide evidence of payment or written contact from me in the relevant period under s.5 of the Limitation Act 1980, I suggest that you are no longer able to take any court action against me to recover any alleged amount claimed.

          Furthermore, the FCA Consumer Credit Sourcebook (section 7.15) states that "Notwithstanding that a debt may be recoverable, a firm must not attempt to recover a statute barred debt in England, Wales or Northern Ireland if the lender or owner has not been in contact with the customer during the limitation period." and that ''A firm must not continue to demand payment from a customer after the customer has stated that he will not be paying the debt because it is statute barred.''

          I await your written confirmation that no further contact will be made concerning the above account and confirmation that this matter is now closed.

          I look forward to your early reply.



          Yours faithfully




          (Your signature)
          (Your Name)
          #staysafestayhome

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            Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

            CCA request letter


            Your name
            Your address
            Your address
            Your Postcode

            DATE

            Creditor Name
            Creditor Address
            Creditor Address
            Creditor Postcode



            Dear Sir/Madam

            Re:− Account Number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

            With reference to the above agreement, we would be grateful if you would send us a copy of this credit agreement.

            We understand that under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Sections 77−79), we are entitled to receive a legible copy of our credit agreement on request. We enclose a payment of £1.00 which represents the fee payable under the Consumer Credit Act.

            We understand a copy of our credit agreement should be supplied within 12 working days.

            We look forward to hearing from you.

            Yours faithfully




            NAME
            #staysafestayhome

            Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

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              Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

              thank you again so much, just one last question. Does it matter if the dca has been sending me letters during the limitations period? does that effect it being barred?

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                Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

                If you have not acknowledged (or paid anything) towards a debt, it is Statute Barred after 6yrs regardless of any letters from a creditor or DCA :tinysmile_grin_t:
                Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

                It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

                recte agens confido

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                • #9
                  Re: court claim for overdraft and request from same dca for credit card

                  oh thanks kati . they stated on the phone you must have received letters for the debt and I stupidly said yes, but this was after it was statute barred anyway? am I right in thinking once its barred any acknowledgement on the phone doesn't change anything?

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