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    Hi, I hope someone will be able to give me some more help here please. My original post was Robinson Way (Ex Cap 1)

    Following my letter to RW to refute the validity of the sent docs as being a copy of the ‘Agreement’ RW have pressed on and issued a Court Claim through solicitors Horwich Farrelly. I intend to defend the claim and hope I can get a bit of support. My AoS needs to be in by 7 Nov.
    The full poc from the Court Claim is as follows:
    “THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS OUTSTANDING MONIES DUE AND PAYABLE BY THE DEFENDANT UNDER A CREDIT AGREEMENT WHEREBY THE DEFENDANT AGREED TO REPAY WITH INTEREST THE VALUE OF THE CREDIT OBTAINED.
    AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS
    1. THE SUM OF xxxx.xx
    2. INTEREST PURSUANT TO S69 OF THE COUNTY COURT ACT 1984 AT THE RATE OF 8% FROM 5/08/07 TO DATE HEREOF 1167 DAYS IS THE SUM OF xxx.xx
    3. FUTURE INTEREST ACCRUING AT THE RATE OF .xxp
    4. COSTS”

    The court fee is 85.00, the solicitors costs 80.00 and the total sum claimed is just below 5000.00.
    It seems to me that it’s rather half hearted and from previous threads, doesn’t appear to contain all the info it needs to. A copy of the agreement upon which they are relying was not attached (of course).
    Regarding the claim for interest, I have a Statement of Default issued by Cap One 28 days after the DN which states “We have terminated your account”. Cap One had previously agreed that interest would no longer be applied to the account. I have no agreement with Robinson Way at all, let alone one to pay them interest, so could they get away with this if I did lose this claim? The claim for interest is from date of assignment.
    I have read the threads by cjo and Disgusted and it seems Curlyben’s ‘embarrassed’ defence would suit my case.
    Do you agree that I should send Horwich Farrelly a CPR 31.14 request in the meantime? I understand that I can only request a copy of the agreement as this is the only document relied on in the poc.
    Do they not have to prove entitlement, for example with the Deed of Assignment?
    In my original s77-79 request I asked for a copy of the Agreement and a copy of the Deed of Assignment. They never did send the latter and it remains outstanding. I never requested a copy of the DN, and they sent me a Statement of Account voluntarily.
    I would appreciate some advice on whether I should proceed with the embarrassed defence when the time comes, whether it should be modified in anyway to suit my circumstances, and whether I should send the CPR 31.14 request in the meantime?
    Thanks.
    Last edited by mongerer; 2nd November 2010, 19:46:PM.
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    Re: Robinson Way Court Claim

    Can you try reposting. On my computer at least it comes out as gobbledegook!

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    • #3
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      Sorry! It had the html included.

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      • #4
        Re: Robinson Way Court Claim

        Not something I'm very au fait with I'm afraid - sorry. If Robbers Way were assigned the debt or bought it from Cap1 they are entitled to enforce it. However, having been following your original thread it's very hard to see how they could succeed.

        From the little I know I would agree with the embarrassed defence and wait for someone more knowledgeable than me to advise. Try sending a pm to Curlyben with a link to this post. He's in such demand he may just have missed it moving.

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          Thanks for your input Caspar. I realise CB would be best to comment on this. Perhaps I will pm him but I don't want to harass him!

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          • #6
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            I've pm'd him for you!

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              2. INTEREST PURSUANT TO S69 OF THE COUNTY COURT ACT 1984 AT THE RATE OF 8% FROM 5/08/07 TO DATE HEREOF 1167 DAYS IS THE SUM OF xxx.xx

              Read more at: Robinson Way Court Claim - Legal Beagles Consumer Forum
              To the best of my knowledge they cannot ask for S69 interest on a cc agreement.

              Recent advice is not to use an embarrassed defence as heavy costs have been incurred by so doing--c.£3k

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              • #8
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                Bump! Any support on the best course of action here would be welcomed. My immediate concern is whether I should get a CPR 31.14 request off asap.

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                • #9
                  Re: Robinson Way Court Claim

                  What have/haven't you got, that you need to defend/admit the claim ?

                  You don't appear to have the Agreement or the Default notice, but you have the termination notice ?

                  So I think what you should do is a simple request for disclosure of the agreement and assignment on which they rely under CPR 31.14 and request an extension of time for filing your defence (under 15.5 below) to allow them time to comply with the 31.14.(write your own following the CPR don't just use a template blindly) Ask for 28 days on top of the 28 days you have from date of service (assuming you have acknowledged the claim)

                  The total is under £5k so no I dont believe they can ask for stat interest.



                  Agreement extending the period for filing a defence

                  15.5

                  (1) The defendant and the claimant may agree that the period for filing a defence specified in rule 15.4 shall be extended by up to 28 days.

                  (2) Where the defendant and the claimant agree to extend the period for filing a defence, the defendant must notify the court in writing.
                  #staysafestayhome

                  Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                  Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                    I have the original DN sent by Cap 1 in 2007 before it was assigned. RW have only sent me the supposed agreement which Curlyben reckons is unenforceable.
                    I'll get the CPR 31.14 request off straightaway. Am I allowed at this stage to ask for other docs which are not referred to in the poc, such as the Notice of Ass and the DN, or is there even any point?
                    I did ask RW for a copy of the Deed of Ass in my original s77-79 request but they have never sent it. Is there any mileage in this?

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                    • #11
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                      Ahh so you have the agreement. Do you have a link to where its posted pls. I'm sure Curls is right but would like to have a look so I know if we're arguing prescribed terms missing or just no agreement.
                      #staysafestayhome

                      Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                      Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                      • #12
                        Re: Robinson Way Court Claim

                        My original post was Robinson Way (Ex Cap 1) in the General Debt Forum.

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                        • #13
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                          For my own part, I don't believe there ever was an agreement. I made an application, which presumably would have had T&C attached, but which could not at that time have contained all the prescribed terms. Next a card turned up in the post whith instructions on how to start using it, a clear invitation, so I don't believe a true agreement ever existed!

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                            Originally posted by mongerer View Post
                            For my own part, I don't believe there ever was an agreement. I made an application, which presumably would have had T&C attached, but which could not at that time have contained all the prescribed terms. Next a card turned up in the post whith instructions on how to start using it, a clear invitation, so I don't believe a true agreement ever existed!
                            Why could it not have contained the prescribed terms at that time ?

                            (just wondering am going to find your thread and have a look now )

                            Here >>>> Legal Beagles Consumer Forum


                            see below attachment


                            have they sent you a copy of said T&C's from the time you signed the agreement ?
                            #staysafestayhome

                            Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                            Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                              Originally posted by mongerer View Post
                              Thanks for your input Caspar. I realise CB would be best to comment on this. Perhaps I will pm him but I don't want to harass him!
                              Just so you know CB did respond very quickly, but he doesn't do court anymore for his own personal reasons.

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