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  • Parking claim vi Civil Enforcement Ltd - My Defence

    Hi guys.

    To cut a long story short we stayed at a hotel and there was a parking tablet at the hotel in which you had to enter your details so you didn’t get a parking ticket. Which we did upon arrival.

    A few days after returning home we received a parking fine from civil enforcement Ltd which they are now pursuing via the county court.

    I have looked on here, found and defence and modified it to make it my own.

    If anyone will legal knowledge could look over said letter and advise or otherwise before I submit my counter that would be greatly appreciated.

    Pete.


    my defence:

    —————————————————————

    Each and every allegation in the Claimants statement of case is denied unless specifically admitted in this Defense.

    It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question.
    .
    The Claimant has no cause of action against the Defendant on the following grounds:-

    1. The Defendant was not the driver of the vehicle on the date in question. The vehicle in question had multiple insured parties. Pictures taken of the car entering and exiting does not constitute as proof. A witness statement can collaborate this.

    2. The Protection of Freedom Act 2012 Schedule 4 has not been complied with.

    a) Notwithstanding that the Claimant claims no right to pursue the Defendant as the registered keeper under PoFA, the Claimant has failed to meet the conditions of the Act and has never acquired any right to pursue the Defendant in this capacity if it cannot identify the driver.

    b) The keeper can only be held liable if the Claimant has fully complied with the strict requirements including 'adequate notice' of £100 charge and prescribed Notice to Keeper letters in time and with mandatory wording.
    The stringent requirements have not been complied with.

    c) The claimant has no right to assert that the defendant is liable based on reasonable assumption. PATAS and POPLA Lead Adjudicator and barrister, Henry Michael Greenslade, clarified that with regards to keeper liability, "There is no reasonable presumption in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver and operators should never suggest anything of the sort"(2015).


    3. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. None of this applies in this material case.


    4. At the alleged offense date, the signage on and around the site which did not meet the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. It was also not lit, making the inadequate signs impossible to read on the winters night in question. The “time in” of 1.42am further proves this. The claimant is a member of the BPA, whose requirements they did not follow. Therefore no contract has been formed with driver to pay £100, or any additional fee charged if unpaid in 28 days.



    The signage is inadequate in terms of the following:

    - Lack of clarity and prominence of terms and conditions
    - Illegible text due to font size, density and complexity
    - Signage lacked any lighting making them illegible during dark hours, including 1.42am of the date in question.


    5. Photographs of the keeper’s vehicle entering and exiting the car park does not constitute a proven contravention of the parking conditions. No ticket was placed on the vehicle and no “manual patrols”, as stated on the particulars of claim, were sighted at the time of the alleged offence (1.42am).

    6. The Claimant has failed to provide any evidence that authorisation to park was NOT granted or indeed entered via the in-house parking tablet. The defendant specifically entered the correct details into the parking tablet, allowing the defendant to park there as paying visitors of the hotel. No evidence on the contrary has been provided. If it were a system fault and the defendant complied with the relevant parking requirements, then the claimant cannot pursue costs or damages as the defendant had every legal right to park there, as paying guests of the hotel.

    7. It is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. The proper Claimant is the landholder. Strict proof is required that there is a chain of contracts leading from the landholder to Civil Enforcement Ltd.

    a) Civil Enforcement Ltd is not the lawful occupier of the land

    b) Absent a contract with the lawful occupier of the land being produced by the claimant, or a chain of contracts showing authorisation stemming from the lawful occupier of the land, I have the reasonable belief that they do not have the authority to issue charges on this land in their own name and that they have no legal standing to bring this case.


    8. The amount is a penalty, and the penalty rule is still engaged, so can be clearly distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis which the Judges held was 'entirely different' from most ordinary economic contract disputes for the following reasons:-

    a) The Claimant has no commercial justification
    b) The Claimant did not follow the BPA Code of Practice
    c) The Claimant is not the landowner and suffers no loss whatsoever as a result of a vehicle parking at the location in question
    d) The amount claimed is a charge and evidently disproportionate to any loss suffered by the Claimant and is therefore unconscionable.
    e) The Court of Appeal for the Beavis case made a clear reference to the fact that their decision was NOT relevant to pay-per-hour type car parks.

    9. The Protection of Freedoms Act does not permit the Claimant to recover a sum greater than the parking charge on the day before a Notice to Keeper was issued. The Claimant cannot recover additional charges. The Claimant claims a sum of £199.23 as the amount claimed (for which liability is denied). The Particulars of Claim does NOT include any cost amount presented as contractual costs pursuant to PCN terms and conditions. We can then well assume that the figures calculated as those plucked from their imagination and as such hold no legal justification. in addition there is a further £25 Court fees and £50 Legal representative's costs.

    10. If the driver on the date of the event was considered to be a trespasser if not allowed to park there, then only the landowner can pursue a case under the tort of trespass, not this Claimant, and as the Supreme Court in the Beavis case confirmed, such a matter would be limited to the landowner themselves claiming for a nominal sum.


    11. The Pre Action Protocol process has not been completed by the Claimant, the defendant is still awaiting the information requested in Section 4.
    11. Save as expressly mentioned above, the Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.

    Therefore I ask the court to respectfully strike out this claim with immediate effect.
    I believe that the facts stated in this Statement of defence, (date I intend to send) are true."
    L
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  • #2
    I’m, amongst other things trying to say there was no breach of contract as we were paying guests and as such allowed to park there... permission was granted, by dint of being a paying guest, which in effects overrides the contract?

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    • #3
      Get a letter from the hotel,confirming your right to park and the dates.

      Give the actual POFA fails

      The claim is not for loss, it is for a charge agreed by the driver in a contract created by the signage

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ostell View Post
        Get a letter from the hotel,confirming your right to park and the dates.

        Give the actual POFA fails

        The claim is not for loss, it is for a charge agreed by the driver in a contract created by the signage
        might be hard to get a letter in the 14days I have left. I can go for an email though.

        what POFA fails could I push for given the circumstances?

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        • #5
          First thing - they sent the claim form to my old address. Luckily it was passed onto me. Does this change things?

          2. if I am not successful with my defence is my credit automatically damaged or can I pay up to sort things?

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          • #6
            I don't know what PIFA fails are there, you have the documents. Define what fails there actually were, helps the judge. If there were no fails the delete the statement.

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            • #7
              I’ve amended. What do you think?

              Each and every allegation in the Claimants statement of case is denied unless specifically admitted in this Defense.

              It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question.
              .
              The Claimant has no cause of action against the Defendant on the following grounds:-

              1. The Protection of Freedom Act 2012 Schedule 2 (1) has not been complied with.

              a) The Keepers address is incorrect on the documents. The documents relating to the case have not been sent to the correct address. The “registered address” was updated as required by the defendant.

              2. The defendant was a paying customer of the Dragonfly Hotel Peterborough, at the time of the alleged offence, for whom the Claimant was managing parking on behalf of, was categorically allowed to park within the grounds of said Hotel. In this case the parking ‘contract’, of which is irrelevant due to the defendant having strict permission to park on site for the duration of their stay from the owner of the land. The Dragonfly Hotel.

              3. At the alleged offence date, the signage on and around the site did not meet the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. It was also not lit, making the inadequate signs impossible to read on the winters night in question. The “time in” of 1.42am further proves this. The claimant is a member of the BPA, whose requirements they did not follow. Therefore no contract has been formed with driver to pay £100, or any additional fee charged if unpaid in 28 days.

              The signage is inadequate in terms of the following:

              - Lack of clarity and prominence of terms and conditions
              - Illegible text due to font size, density and complexity
              - Signage lacked any lighting making them illegible during dark hours, including 1.42am of the date in question.
              - Car park lacked adequate distinction or signage to indicate that the hotel was not solely responsible for their customers parking.

              4. The requirement to input the defendants vehicle details and stay duration was adhered to. Upon arrival the vehicle registration and stay duration was entered into a tablet computer, designated for parking. The defendant was under no obligation to do this more than once and therefore cannot be held responsible for technical malfunctions leading to the assumption that the defendant was parked without permission.

              5. Photographs of the keeper’s vehicle entering and exiting the car park does not constitute a proven contravention of the parking conditions. No ticket was placed on the vehicle and no “manual patrols”, as stated on the particulars of claim, were sighted at the time of the alleged offence (1.42am) or indeed upon checking out at 10am (departing car park 10.06am).

              6. The Claimant has failed to provide any evidence that authorisation to park was NOT granted or indeed entered via the in-house parking tablet. The defendant specifically entered the correct details into the parking tablet, allowing the defendant to park there as paying visitors of the hotel. No evidence on the contrary has been provided. If it were a system fault and the defendant complied with the relevant parking requirements, then the claimant cannot pursue costs or damages as the defendant had every legal right to park there, as paying guests of the hotel, for the stay duration.

              7. It is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. The proper Claimant is the landholder. Strict proof is required that there is a chain of contracts leading from the landholder to Civil Enforcement Ltd.

              a) Civil Enforcement Ltd is not the lawful occupier of the land

              b) Absent a contract with the lawful occupier of the land being produced by the claimant, or a chain of contracts showing authorisation stemming from the lawful occupier of the land, I have the reasonable belief that they do not have the authority to issue charges on this land in their own name and that they have no legal standing to bring this case.

              8. The amount is a penalty, and the penalty rule is still engaged, so can be clearly distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis which the Judges held was 'entirely different' from most ordinary economic contract disputes for the following reasons:-

              a) The Claimant has no commercial justification
              b) The Claimant did not follow the BPA Code of Practice
              c) The Claimant is not the landowner and suffers no loss whatsoever as a result of a vehicle parking at the location in question
              d) The amount claimed is a charge and evidently disproportionate to any loss suffered by the Claimant and is therefore unconscionable.
              e) The Court of Appeal for the Beavis case made a clear reference to the fact that their decision was NOT relevant to pay-per-hour type car parks.

              9. The Protection of Freedoms Act does not permit the Claimant to recover a sum greater than the parking charge on the day before a Notice to Keeper was issued. The Claimant cannot recover additional charges. The Claimant claims a sum of £199.23 as the amount claimed (for which liability is denied). The Particulars of Claim does NOT include any cost amount presented as contractual costs pursuant to PCN terms and conditions. in addition there is a further £25 Court fees and £50 Legal representative's costs.

              10. If the driver on the date of the event was considered to be a trespasser if not allowed to park there, then only the landowner can pursue a case under the tort of trespass, not this Claimant, and as the Supreme Court in the Beavis case confirmed, such a matter would be limited to the landowner themselves claiming for a nominal sum.

              11. The Pre Action Protocol process has not been completed by the Claimant, the defendant is still awaiting the information requested in Section 4.
              11. Save as expressly mentioned above, the Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.

              Therefore I ask the court to respectfully strike out this claim with immediate effect.
              I believe that the facts stated in this Statement of defence, (date I intend to send) are true."

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              • #8
                Sending to the incorrect address is not a POFA fail

                9 Define the POFA fail, which section. £25 and £50 are allowable costs

                in general it is not an offence it is a sum agreed for a breach

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                • #9
                  Why are you even preparing a defence at this stage? If the hotel has a record of your booking it is a simple matter for them to tell the parking company that you were authorised to park there.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EnglandPi View Post
                    Why are you even preparing a defence at this stage? If the hotel has a record of your booking it is a simple matter for them to tell the parking company that you were authorised to park there.
                    ive tried this many times. Emailed, phoned. They don’t seem to care. Why they have taken it to court when they know we were paying customers is beyond me

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                    • #11
                      There was no need for this matter to ever get to court, did you appeal the issuing of the ticket on the grounds you were legally entitled to park there?

                      Whilst defence templates have their uses, on this occasion I don’t think you should be using one.

                      I’m a great believer in keeping it simple and talking in plain English because it’s only a small claims court where the judge will make a decision based on which party he believes is telling the truth based on the balance of probabilities, not beyond reasonable doubt.

                      By using a template, it appears to the judge, you have legal knowledge that you don’t actually possess so the judge is less likely to make allowances for you or help you.

                      I believe your defence is:

                      On [ date ] I stayed as a paying guest at [ hotel ] [address ].

                      When I parked my vehicle in the hotel car park, I noticed it was a controlled car park because it had signs dotted around it.

                      I enquired at reception on my arrival if I had free use of the hotel car park for the duration of my stay and female receptionist said ‘of course sir.

                      I had no reason to read the signs because I had been assured, they did not apply to me.

                      Some time later [ date ] I received a county court summons etc ect
                      Last edited by EnglandPi; 3rd March 2021, 14:38:PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EnglandPi View Post
                        There was no need for this matter to ever get to court, did you appeal the issuing of the ticket on the grounds you were legally entitled to park there?

                        Whilst defence templates have their uses, on this occasion I don’t think you should be using one.

                        I believe your defence is:

                        On [ date ] I stayed as a paying guest at [ hotel ] [address ].

                        When I parked my vehicle in the hotel car park, I noticed it was a controlled car park because it had signs dotted around it.

                        I enquired at reception on my arrival if I had free use of the hotel car park for the duration of my stay and female receptionist said ‘of course sir.

                        I had no reason to read the signs because I had been assured, they did not apply to me.

                        Some time later [ date ] I received a county court summons etc ect
                        Thank you for that. Really appreciate it.

                        yes I appealed it but it was rejected by the parking company which no specific reason. I’ve never understood it.

                        There was a tablet in which we entered our details that “allowed us to park”. Which we did. Do you think I should mention that?

                        I received an email back from the hotel today. They basically said, as they always have, that the parking company are independent from the hotel and they cannot help.

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