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    Hey everyone.

    I would be grateful for some urgently needed advice as im getting a lot of conflicting info and don’t know what to to do in the small claims.

    Summary of Case:

    Im the defendant. Claimant made a ficticous claim against me with very little detail of the basis of his small claim.
    I replied it was impossible for me to defend a claim on such little information that consisted I owed xx amount only with no reasons.

    Anyway the case went as follows:

    1. Hearing date set, I wrote to court in ample time within CPR rules to ask for a strike out on the above reasons, or ideally if not allowed an adjournment because of sickness.

    2. Court staff advised I now have to wait for a judge to reply and the new hearing date.

    3. The hearing went ahead, despite me calling that day to ask if listed, court staff did not know as they said they were short staffed.

    4. Got the judgement for claimant, asked court staff who said they made a mistake in not forwarding my letter to judge before.

    5. They advised to submit n244, explain the reasons and ask for it to be set aside. They said to make it quick request a paper hearing as oral hearings take months to get a date. I found later that the telephone hearing I requested I could have which staff said was not possible was in fact possible.

    6. The set aside hearing was struck out for non attendance of both parties, no more info on judgement.

    7. I asked court staff if my submission had been submitted they said yes, but no idea if judge saw it. They advised I appeal to circuit judge.

    8. Appealed to circuit judge requesting oral hearing. He took a long time to grant this.

    9. Attended appeal, and found out by Judge it was permission to appeal only. He basically gave me a few mins to state my case and then just summed up the chronology of the case and dismissed it, I had no chance to address points or mention other
    points.

    10. I must also mention I was on sick leave for the n244 hearing as well but did not mention it at the time but put it in papers to the circuit judge who did not appear to notice in his summing up.

    11. Now I have 14 days to appeal. But don’t know what to do as I have so much conflicting advice from court staff and solicitors, ive wasted so much money on fees , never done a court process like this on my life and am totally angry the claimant has got away scott free with his fictous claim.


    Options Ive been advised:


    1. Request another appeal to the civils appeal office at the high court, some say its possible others say it is not and that the case is now closed to challenging it in any way.

    2. Another option is to request a reinstatement of the N244 hearing that was struck out, on the basis no judicial decision had yet been made on the actual case itself to set aside rather it was strike out for non attendance. Im confused however as the appellant judge mentioned to the court staff the n244 judge had the paper work in front him, yet his judgement makes only reference to struck out as of non attendance of both parties.

    3. Last point im not sure if the appellant judge refused permission to appeal the n244 set aside hearing or both the original and the n244 hearing, he mentioned the original hearing briefly but concentrated on the n244 chronology stating we requested a paper hearing.

    So here I am hoping someone could give me any other options or advice on how to best proceed, case law, precedents etc would be very very welcome. I really don’t want to spend more on court fees but all I want is the original hearing set aside so I can present my case and show how ludicrous the claimants claim was.

    Surely if someone is sick and through fault of their own they cannot attend and gave appropriate notice they should be give an adjournment at least and why should I be held responsible for the court staff incompetence.

    Please please please can any one rescue me from this nightmare….
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    Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

    Originally posted by tinytin85 View Post
    Hey everyone.

    I would be grateful for some urgently needed advice as im getting a lot of conflicting info and don’t know what to to do in the small claims.

    Summary of Case:

    Im the defendant. Claimant made a ficticous claim against me with very little detail of the basis of his small claim.
    I replied it was impossible for me to defend a claim on such little information that consisted I owed xx amount only with no reasons.

    Anyway the case went as follows:

    1. Hearing date set, I wrote to court in ample time within CPR rules to ask for a strike out on the above reasons, or ideally if not allowed an adjournment because of sickness.

    2. Court staff advised I now have to wait for a judge to reply and the new hearing date.

    3. The hearing went ahead, despite me calling that day to ask if listed, court staff did not know as they said they were short staffed.

    4. Got the judgement for claimant, asked court staff who said they made a mistake in not forwarding my letter to judge before.

    5. They advised to submit n244, explain the reasons and ask for it to be set aside. They said to make it quick request a paper hearing as oral hearings take months to get a date. I found later that the telephone hearing I requested I could have which staff said was not possible was in fact possible.

    6. The set aside hearing was struck out for non attendance of both parties, no more info on judgement.

    7. I asked court staff if my submission had been submitted they said yes, but no idea if judge saw it. They advised I appeal to circuit judge.

    8. Appealed to circuit judge requesting oral hearing. He took a long time to grant this.

    9. Attended appeal, and found out by Judge it was permission to appeal only. He basically gave me a few mins to state my case and then just summed up the chronology of the case and dismissed it, I had no chance to address points or mention other
    points.

    10. I must also mention I was on sick leave for the n244 hearing as well but did not mention it at the time but put it in papers to the circuit judge who did not appear to notice in his summing up.

    11. Now I have 14 days to appeal. But don’t know what to do as I have so much conflicting advice from court staff and solicitors, ive wasted so much money on fees , never done a court process like this on my life and am totally angry the claimant has got away scott free with his fictous claim.


    Options Ive been advised:


    1. Request another appeal to the civils appeal office at the high court, some say its possible others say it is not and that the case is now closed to challenging it in any way.

    2. Another option is to request a reinstatement of the N244 hearing that was struck out, on the basis no judicial decision had yet been made on the actual case itself to set aside rather it was strike out for non attendance. Im confused however as the appellant judge mentioned to the court staff the n244 judge had the paper work in front him, yet his judgement makes only reference to struck out as of non attendance of both parties.

    3. Last point im not sure if the appellant judge refused permission to appeal the n244 set aside hearing or both the original and the n244 hearing, he mentioned the original hearing briefly but concentrated on the n244 chronology stating we requested a paper hearing.

    So here I am hoping someone could give me any other options or advice on how to best proceed, case law, precedents etc would be very very welcome. I really don’t want to spend more on court fees but all I want is the original hearing set aside so I can present my case and show how ludicrous the claimants claim was.

    Surely if someone is sick and through no fault of their own they cannot attend and gave appropriate notice they should be give an adjournment at least and why should I be held responsible for the court staff incompetence.

    Please please please can any one rescue me from this nightmare….
    IFYPFY?
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    • #3
      Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

      Thank you for fixing post.....

      Anyone with advice?......help!!!!!!!1

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      • #4
        Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

        [QUOTE=tinytin85;630665]Thank you for fixing post.....

        Anyone with advice?......help!!!!!!!

        Anyone?

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        • #5
          Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

          :bump: for [MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION] [MENTION=6]Amethyst[/MENTION] xx
          Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

          It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

          recte agens confido

          ~~~~~

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          • #6
            Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

            Originally posted by Kati View Post
            :bump: for @nemesis45 @Amethyst xx
            Got it,, [MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION] nemxx

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            • #7
              Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

              [MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION] What does IFYPFY mean ?

              [MENTION=82601]tinytin85[/MENTION] - just having a read ( ok ignore that [MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION] is looking xx )
              #staysafestayhome

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              • #8
                Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                It's down in my opinion now to a an application to set aside ( N244 + £155.00 Fee).

                It seems the judge at one point was concerned on time taken to make application, how long after judgement was made was the application made.

                Do you have a defence to the original claim that has a reasonable chance of success?

                What were the particulars of the claim please.

                nem

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                • #9
                  Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                  And a complaint to HMCTS for the handling of the case ?
                  #staysafestayhome

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                  • #10
                    Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                    [MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION] I'd like to know what IFPYF mean please.
                    nem

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                    • #11
                      Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                      Hi Guys,

                      Thanks for your thoughts and bumping up.

                      Particulars of case were very vauge, namely i owe x amount of money recieved and that is it. However as Landlord I have all reciepts and contract that can proove 100% otherwise.

                      Just wondered if N244 to set aside was now still possible?, because their was a hearing that took place despite being told it was not and judgement went to claimam=nt, then an unattended by both parties of a n244 hearing to set aside that was struck out as to non attendance and then a permission to appeal hearing with a circuit judge.

                      Im thinking given no judicial decision on the actual case before was made apart from strike out of n244 is a reinstatement possible. Or is it better to appeal to the civil appeals to d=seek an appeal ofn refusal to appeal permission, which i think is allowed under cpr 53.3 .3?

                      HMCT complaint will be made when this is over.

                      Advice appreciated.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                        Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
                        @charitynjw What does IFYPFY mean ?

                        @tinytin85 - just having a read ( ok ignore that @nemesis45 is looking xx )
                        Originally posted by nemesis45 View Post
                        @charitynjw I'd like to know what IFPYF mean please.
                        nem
                        IFYPFY = I fixed your post for you. :tinysmile_twink_t2:
                        CAVEAT LECTOR

                        This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                        You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                        Cohen, Herb


                        There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                        gets his brain a-going.
                        Phelps, C. C.


                        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                        The last words of John Sedgwick

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                        • #13
                          Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                          bumping:bump::bump:

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                          • #14
                            Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                            [MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION] [MENTION=6]Amethyst[/MENTION]
                            Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

                            It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

                            recte agens confido

                            ~~~~~

                            Any advice I provide is given without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                            I can be emailed if you need my help loading pictures/documents to your thread. My email address is Kati@legalbeagles.info
                            But please include a link to your thread so I know who you are.

                            Specialist advice can be sought via our sister site JustBeagle

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                            • #15
                              Re: Urgent help needed on procedure for small claims

                              Originally posted by tinytin85 View Post
                              Hi Guys,

                              Thanks for your thoughts and bumping up.

                              Particulars of case were very vauge, namely i owe x amount of money recieved and that is it. However as Landlord I have all reciepts and contract that can proove 100% otherwise.

                              Just wondered if N244 to set aside was now still possible?, because their was a hearing that took place despite being told it was not and judgement went to claimam=nt, then an unattended by both parties of a n244 hearing to set aside that was struck out as to non attendance and then a permission to appeal hearing with a circuit judge.

                              Im thinking given no judicial decision on the actual case before was made apart from strike out of n244 is a reinstatement possible. Or is it better to appeal to the civil appeals to d=seek an appeal ofn refusal to appeal permission, which i think is allowed under cpr 53.3 .3?

                              HMCT complaint will be made when this is over.

                              Advice appreciated.
                              I can't see any reason why you can't make another application to set aside the judgement, the last one being struck out ( non attendance).

                              No orders having been made a new application can be made.

                              nem

                              - - - Updated - - -

                              Originally posted by Kati View Post
                              Good morning [MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION] xx

                              Replied.

                              nem

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