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  • O2 and Sale of Goods Act

    Hi all

    I am wondering if anyone can help me, I am sorry in advance for this long post, but I will try and explain as best I can.

    I bought a Moto G Smartphone from O2 on Pay and Go, on 1/4/2014 (about 8 weeks ago), and it has a fault where the caller is unable to hear me, I have been in touch with Motorola about this and even they couldnt resolve this issue, so today (10/6/2014) I took the phone back into the O2 store and after initially saying there was no Manager available, when I asked to speak to Head Office, a Manager suddenly appeared.

    I gave them the Sale of Goods Act letter saying I wanted a refund (but I would have accepted an exchange for a different handset), she refused, so then I gave her the Unfair terms in Consumer contracts letter, and she still refused.

    Then I was put through to the Franchise manager (I think) and he said it would cost them £300 to escalate it and they are not doing it, so I asked him for a letter explaining why O2 company policy trumps UK and EU Law, he refused and said they are not authorised to send letters out, but he did send me the following email.....

    Good afternoon

    Further to our discussion at 14:20 on June 10th, I unfortunately have to repeat the obviously does appointing news that we are unable to exchange your handset for a replacement model as you have had the device for circa eight weeks.

    As discussed, had you returned to the store within seven days of the purchase we would have carried out a diagnostics and upon finding described fault, could have exchanged as required. Unfortunately as it is now significantly outside of our standard exchange period, we are obliged to defer to the manufacturers warranty and send the handset to be analysed and ideally repaired by a Motorola approved repair centre which we are absolutely willing to do.

    As you have been informed by both myself and our team in store, we will provide you with a loaned handset (free of charge as opposed to the £25 fee we would usually require) whilst yours is away, but you have re-iterated that you do not want or need this service from us. The offer will of course still stand should you change your mind.

    It is with great regret that we cannot fulfil your demand to swap the phone for another, I am also sorry to hear that this is the fifth or sixth Moto G model that you have felt the need to exchange (the first five having been purchased from Phones 4 You I believe you said) and can only encourage you to maybe look at alternatives should you choose to purchase again.

    Regards

    Jonathan Beckett

    Sent from my iPad

    Who is in the right here? As it stands I am without a working Phone and am £100 out of pocket.

    Thanks in advance for your help.
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  • #2
    Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

    It's my O2 two two two, too good to be true true true!

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    • #3
      Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

      I have emailed him back with this.....

      Manchester advice service say I AM entitled to pursue this under the sale of goods act, and Trading Standards have been informed by Manchester Advice services.

      Dear Sir or Madam,

      Complaint about faulty goods

      I bought a Moto G Smartphone from you on 1st April 2014. I paid £99.99.

      I now find the goods have the following fault:

      The caller is unable to hear me.

      Under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) goods you supply must be fit for purpose. As there was a problem with the goods when I bought them, I request that you give me a full refund of £99.99.

      I had originally called into the O2 store which I purchased the phone from but even after I gave them the Sale of Goods Act letter, they still refused.

      I was willing to accept an exchange for another model (which was actually £50 more expensive than the original phone and I was willing to pay the difference) but after the shoddy service I received today from the staff and management of the store, I have now lost faith in a company I initially did have faith in, so I now demand a full refund.

      Trading Standards have now been informed about this potential issue.

      Please reply promptly to this.

      Yours faithfully

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      • #4
        Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

        Originally posted by Mr $quanda£ot View Post
        It's my O2 two two two, too good to be true true true!
        very good
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        • #5
          Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

          And he replied with this.....

          Beckett Jonathan (Franchise) (UK)
          4:52 PM (8 minutes ago)
          to me
          Good afternoon



          Unfortunately as we cannot ascertain whether the handset was faulty when we sold it to you, ie. you only reported this fault after eight weeks, I don't quite understand how the below is applicable in this situation?


          I fully appreciate that you have sought legal advice so I will in turn pass this on internally to Telefonica O2 and hopefully there can be a satisfactory resolution reached for all parties.


          Once again, I am willing to send your handset away to be looked at by an official Motorola repair centre as per our guidelines and will lend you a handset in the meantime.


          Regards


          Jonathan

          Sent from my iPad

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          • #6
            Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

            Perhaps I should ring them and start singing my O2 phrase!

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            • #7
              Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

              hi just had a quick look, as far as I can see o2 have every right to say that at point of sale you had 7 days to return the handset and get an exchange, but that after that time it is a warranty issue and defer to Motorola.

              they can offer you an exchange phone, but they can charge you £25 for this, if you have declined this as far as I know they don't have to replace it as there is no proof this is a warranty issue or damage (not covered by warranty) and they can say you have declined the repair so this must show there is damage to the handset. Also just out of interest, if you have had 4 of the same make with phones4u why did you buy the same phone again??

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              • #8
                Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

                Originally posted by Mr $quanda£ot View Post
                Perhaps I should ring them and start singing my O2 phrase!
                please dont..

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                • #9
                  Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

                  Originally posted by Hurricane Puffrose View Post
                  hi just had a quick look, as far as I can see o2 have every right to say that at point of sale you had 7 days to return the handset and get an exchange, but that after that time it is a warranty issue and defer to Motorola.

                  they can offer you an exchange phone, but they can charge you £25 for this, if you have declined this as far as I know they don't have to replace it as there is no proof this is a warranty issue or damage (not covered by warranty) and they can say you have declined the repair so this must show there is damage to the handset. Also just out of interest, if you have had 4 of the same make with phones4u why did you buy the same phone again??
                  I bought another one because its a decent phone, but theres clearly a problem with that paticular model.

                  I have been told by Manchester Advice that the Sale of Goods Act does apply in this case.

                  I have sent him this.....

                  Dear Sir/Madam, RE: Faulty goods and the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) On 1/04/2014 I bought a Moto G Smartphone from you for £99.99 which has stopped working.

                  The problem is: The caller is unable to hear me.

                  The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) states that when a consumer buys goods from a trader they must be: as described; of a satisfactory quality; and fit for any purpose made known at the time of sale to the seller.

                  This legislation also states that the seller, not the manufacturer, is legally obliged to sort out a problem if the goods do not meet these requirements. The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) says: if goods break within the first six months after purchase then there is a presumption the goods were faulty when sold.

                  My goods are not fit for purpose and I wish to claim a full refund of my goods under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 as amended. Please respond to my complaint within 7 days from receipt of this letter.

                  Yours faithfully,

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                  • #10
                    Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

                    Yes, but they have complied with their obligations - and probably gone beyond - in that they have offered to repair and give you a loan phone whilst it is away.

                    I too can't quite understand why if you have had 4 or 5 of these phones previously you would choose it again.

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                    • #11
                      Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

                      I have the 16GB version of this phone as a backup, bought from Phones4U so it was unlocked to any network and it is brilliant. All reviews say it is outstanding value for money and that has been borne out by my experience. I think you have been exceedingly unlucky - maybe April 1st is not a good day to buy phones.

                      I would swallow your pride, let them send it off for repair and then enjoy a really good phone.

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                      • #12
                        Re: O2 and Sale of Goods Act

                        Originally posted by Wombats View Post
                        I have the 16GB version of this phone as a backup, bought from Phones4U so it was unlocked to any network and it is brilliant. All reviews say it is outstanding value for money and that has been borne out by my experience. I think you have been exceedingly unlucky - maybe April 1st is not a good day to buy phones.

                        I would swallow your pride, let them send it off for repair and then enjoy a really good phone.
                        Thank you all for your replies, they gave me a refund and I have now bought the EE Kestrel, which so far is a good phone .

                        I got multiple Moto G Handsets because I actually liked the phone, but I think the 4.4 update didnt agree with me.

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