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A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

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  • A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

    Before I start this is nothing to do with us but some good friends spilled their heart out yesterday.

    Their nephew who was about 22 when his grandfather died - he left his whole estate between the 4 grand children and they were to be paid out upon reaching 25. Two of the executors children reached 25 and wanted their share. This was paid apparently £50k each.

    They know for sure their was a family home which would have raised a substatial amount of money + there would have been money in the bank and or there may have been other stuff like stocks and shares etc ......

    They know that the executor has used this money to buy firstly a flat and put this in his name and not as executor/trustee as he should have done. When the exectors two kids asked for their share he sold the flat and gave them £50k each. He then purchased another flat and again has put it in to another property in his sole name. Now that their nephew has turned 25 and is now 27 has been asking his uncle for his share of the money. The uncle (the only executor) has rented out the flat and all the income is going directly into his own persoal bank account. It appears that uncle cannot sell the flat because of tennants as well he has taken a mortgage on this and being a bad market place or that he is happy to still receive the income from this.

    In mine and my husbands mind this is fraud together with money laundering as it is not his money to invest in his name and gamble with the money left in trust. Any property he purchased with the proceeds should have been purchased and marked for the trustees/benificaries of the estate and any income should have gone into the executors account in trust for the benificiaries untill all the beneficiarys reached 25.

    He has no rights to this money and has abused his trust in the position of being a trustee of this estate.

    My husband and I have said that their nephew should write to his uncle asking for a complete breakdown of the monies that he realised at the time of death of the grandfather and any income from the rentals should have gone into trust for the kids. We have suggested the following write to the uncle giving him 28 days to give him his share of the money and if he does not receive it he will then report this matter to the police to take action on this or to seek solicitors advice and perhaps a letter from a solicitor will hold better than coming from him. We have also advised to apply for the probabte office for the documentation that he sent and we believe that this will then show what the what assets were at time of death when the grandfather died. The other remaining benaficiary is also the daughter of the uncle who is the executor and whilst she is over 25 she does not want her money at this time.

    The lad so far has been reluctant to upset his uncle as he wants to avoid confrontation but we cannot see anyway round other than thsn going by either route as I think there is probably more than £200k even after say any debts if their were.

    We believe that the exector has not acted appropiately as an executor and we have told our friends that they must help their nephew in obtaining the correct amount of money and certainly in the near future as we belive if he dies before that property is sold then ALL the money will go into his etate and his kids all 3 of them will inheiret the lot and their is certainly no safe guard for this youg man who is getting married in october and this would be a decent deposit for a home for him and his new wife.

    Please let me have your views and if you agree with our thoughts or is there another way forward.

    Ta Tuttsi x
    Last edited by TUTTSI; 25th December 2012, 14:56:PM.
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    Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

    My advice would be to get straight to a solicitor specialising in this area as soon as possible hun cos unless the Will specifically states,or the Executor has a Letter of Administration that states he can use the money he is up to his oompahpah in the doodoo. As you know,,just been through all this,it's a flippin minefield .

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    • #3
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      Agree with seek legal help quick dont let the person know you are doing so a solicitor might get an injuction freezing all their assets.
      Good luck

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      • #4
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        I think the probate office should be contacted and check the will it may well just be in there that the executor was allowed to invest the money until such time as the grandchildren were able to inherit.

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        • #5
          Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

          Go to a solicitor specialising in probate matters, and then take it from there. Personally I'd go to the police as well, but take advice first.

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          • #6
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            I very much doubt that he could invest the money in his own name and the proceeds from the rental going into his own bank account. If he died tomorrow that property would form part of his estate and the nephew will not get a bean.

            The property could have been purchased in the trust for beneficiaries and proceeds go into an account for them also in a trust bank account. This is called a breach of trust and could be fraud and money laundering.

            Originally posted by enaid View Post
            I think the probate office should be contacted and check the will it may well just be in there that the executor was allowed to invest the money until such time as the grandchildren were able to inherit.

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            • #7
              Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

              Woah there people. Lets not make assumptions before knowing the facts. This is third hand info (Chinese whispers). As an executor myself I am well aware of the restrictions placed upon those who act as an executor. A requirment of the probate system is that an "executor account" must be opened with a bank. It is very difficult to use monies in such an account as if it's your own.

              If there is suspicion that funds are being misappropriated then that would be a criminal matter however there needs to be clear evidence of this. The nephew, being a beneficary, is well within his rights to demand to see "the books" and the advice to seek legal advice is sound; however it should be remembered that engaging a solicitor is akin to watching a petrol pump go round. They do like to spin it out and you can soon end-up on the wrong end of a big bill.

              I respectfully suggest that a private letter expressing a requirment (as is his right) for a full breakdown of monies held, monies paid out and secuities held within the "executors account" be made available within 28 days.

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              • #8
                Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                On the facts given, it seems as if there is a single executor. Given the terms of the Will, if it was not specified that a Trust be created, one will have arisen automatically.

                When a Trust owns land (the beneficiaries having a beneficial interest, but not ownership), it cannot normally be sold without two trustees acting together. This, together with the fact that the rental goes into a personal, rather than a holding account, renders the executors conduct highly questionable.

                Get a copy of the Will and demand a full accounting.

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                • #9
                  Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                  Originally posted by TUTTSI View Post
                  I very much doubt that he could invest the money in his own name and the proceeds from the rental going into his own bank account. If he died tomorrow that property would form part of his estate and the nephew will not get a bean.

                  The property could have been purchased in the trust for beneficiaries and proceeds go into an account for them also in a trust bank account. This is called a breach of trust and could be fraud and money laundering.
                  I know what your saying but I think it still depends on what was stipulated in the will and also how probate was granted.

                  I found this info,


                  Alternative executors and trustees will be needed to look after funds held in trust for children until the date specified in the Will or the child’s eighteenth birthday. It is expected the trustees will need various powers in relation to these funds, including power to advance money for maintenance or education of a beneficiary and power to invest
                  It is essential that you give to your executors all of the powers possible (available in law) to enable them to administer your estate properly. If your executor is also Trustee, you need, for example, to give your Executors special powers to invest cash, insure property and manage money for any infants. (children under 18)
                  Last edited by enaid; 26th December 2012, 06:28:AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                    Yes I agree Enaid, but right now the concern is that he is entitled to this money and it is tied up in such a way that the man cannot now give him his share to which he is entitled to. He turned 25 2.5 years ago and has been asking for his share and it has fallen on deaf ears. Thats why I say that if he dies tomorrow the uncle the property will form part of his estate because he has not put it in a trust situation.

                    As a previous poster has pointed out it has become a game of chinese whispers and perhaps there is more to this story that I dont know. I am only relating what our friends relayed to us and hope that I have not added any additional information that was not there. We also can only asume at this stage what they are saying is correct. The boy does not what any confrentation with his uncle which I understand and his uncle has not got the money available it seems to pay this beneficairy at this time now or in the near future. It was not his call to tie it up in such a way that the beneficiary could not get hold of his entitlement when he reached 25.

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                    • #11
                      Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                      My advice,,,,,seek a professional..ask to see Will...deal with outcome when it happens. No point going round in circles till then.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                        This very reason occurred in my loved ones also. My Granny (who I maintained in my home) did not tell us what to do with her band. It is a wonderful little solitary precious stone. It is not huge, but wonderful. EVERYONE , my relative my Auntie , my sis, in my loved ones members had a viewpoint about who should have this band. My Dad (Grandma's only remaining son) had to listen to all these views, he got frustrated and the little band rests in a box in my Mothers cabinet drawer.

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                          Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                          Originally posted by Lisa23 View Post
                          This very reason occurred in my loved ones also. My Granny (who I maintained in my home) did not tell us what to do with her band. It is a wonderful little solitary precious stone. It is not huge, but wonderful. EVERYONE , my relative my Auntie , my sis, in my loved ones members had a viewpoint about who should have this band. My Dad (Grandma's only remaining son) had to listen to all these views, he got frustrated and the little band rests in a box in my Mothers cabinet drawer.
                          A salutary story about why wills are needed and a lot of thought needs to be put into them about every little detail. Mine has photos! As in "this" object goes to this person! But then, I have met my brother -in -law, so I have advance warning! Anyone who has had the pleasure of his company would be assigning the office staples, never mind anything they valued!

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                          • #14
                            Re: A Familly now in dispute over inherritance

                            My FIL,,God rest his soul,,was a lifetime hoarder,,,and my OH and his brother are STILL wading through his vast collections of every thingamybob,watsitdoofah,and tat that took him 50 odd years to amass,,ask Tuttsi,,the 45kilos of sugar in the wardrobe was the first sign that he had too much money too quickly,,he spent 100k in just over a year.

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                            • #15
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                              loving the new glittery hun

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