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  • Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

    I do pray there are members of the society as it stands today to help. With the part time job and childs special needs to attend, there are limited resources to get free advice. Citizen Advice Bureu gives generalist advice only, hence they dont know, Consumer Direct is saying I need a legal advice which I can not afford.

    Problem:
    Purchased 5 Bisque make radiators from H2O plus in 2005. The bathroom radiator (just over £600+valves) eroded in 2009 (tubes connecting into the valves) I had to complain to H2O plus shop. To begin with the shop was brushing me off, that this is the shoddy work of a fitter to blame, later lack of PTF tape in connection (radiator tubes going into valves), then something about inhibitor, until several plumbers confirmed the same thing: sealant tape, nor inhibitor has nothing to do with eroded tubes of rad, as erosion happened from the top of the metal, which demonstrates, that tube metal was insufficiently galvanised before paint applied over it.
    After much wriggling shop exchanged the faulty radiator in March 2009, after I sent pictures to Bisque itself. Shop refused to pay plumber service, but I worked full time doing shifts + small kids and did not have enough time to sleep, let alone to argue...

    Year 2010 the valve of the new (EXCHANGED IN 2009) bathroom radiator started to leak, so I went to H2O plus, £64 for new valves, thank you very much( As the plumber took off the radiator in order to see what is up with the valves it turned out the seal ring was too big and simply sliding through (faulty valve), hence the reason for leak, but he also pointed out, that a new radiator is due, as the rad's tubes, connecting the valve eroded at a dangerous level and is an accident waiting to blow out...

    As the saying goes ''once is a bad luck, twice is a pattern'', I asked plumber to check out if installation of radiator is correct, or might it be inhibitor in a system warn out... He said the same thing: DETERIORATION OF METAL IS EXTERNAL, NOT COMING FROM THE INSIDE OF RAD, INSTALLATION IS CORRECT, clearly radiator os not fit for purpose as sale of goods act would describe it, as it is called ''bathroom towel rack'' on the invoice... Wrote to shop a letter of demand in december 2010. H2o plus retaliated my calls for string of the months, leading me to believe they are dealing with the issue, it was towards end of 2011 I realised all emails I was communicating with the shop are bouncing back, hence changed, noone by name, who signed for the letter of demand is in the shop found.

    I issued claim via small claims court, but the shop hired solicitor who insists claim has no precedent as procedure is issued over 5 yrs time since the receipt in 2005. Does it not matter there was a new radiator in 2009, which clearly design faulty to be called bathroom radiator. Does the contract (although no legal tender was exchanged and it was partially verbal partially via email conversation) not start at year 2009?

    Many thanks,
    Mango Sorbet
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    Sale of goods act/ legal advice?

    I do pray there are members of the society as it stands today to help. With the part time job and childs special needs to attend, there are limited resources to get free advice. Citizen Advice Bureu gives generalist advice only, hence they dont know, Consumer Direct is saying I need a legal advice which I can not afford.

    Problem:
    Purchased 5 Bisque make radiators from H2O plus in 2005. The bathroom radiator (just over £600+valves) eroded in 2009 (tubes connecting into the valves) I had to complain to H2O plus shop. To begin with the shop was brushing me off, that this is the shoddy work of a fitter to blame, later lack of PTF tape in connection (radiator tubes going into valves), then something about inhibitor, until several plumbers confirmed the same thing: sealant tape, nor inhibitor has nothing to do with eroded tubes of rad, as erosion happened from the top of the metal, which demonstrates, that tube metal was insufficiently galvanised before paint applied over it.
    After much wriggling shop exchanged the faulty radiator in March 2009, after I sent pictures to Bisque itself. Shop refused to pay plumber service, but I worked full time doing shifts + small kids and did not have enough time to sleep, let alone to argue...

    Year 2010 the valve of the new (EXCHANGED IN 2009) bathroom radiator started to leak, so I went to H2O plus, £64 for new valves, thank you very much( As the plumber took off the radiator in order to see what is up with the valves it turned out the seal ring was too big and simply sliding through (faulty valve), hence the reason for leak, but he also pointed out, that a new radiator is due, as the rad's tubes, connecting the valve eroded at a dangerous level and is an accident waiting to blow out...

    As the saying goes ''once is a bad luck, twice is a pattern'', I asked plumber to check out if installation of radiator is correct, or might it be inhibitor in a system warn out... He said the same thing: DETERIORATION OF METAL IS EXTERNAL, NOT COMING FROM THE INSIDE OF RAD, INSTALLATION IS CORRECT, clearly radiator os not fit for purpose as sale of goods act would describe it, as it is called ''bathroom towel rack'' on the invoice... Wrote to shop a letter of demand in december 2010. H2o plus retaliated my calls for string of the months, leading me to believe they are dealing with the issue, it was towards end of 2011 I realised all emails I was communicating with the shop are bouncing back, hence changed, noone by name, who signed for the letter of demand is in the shop found.

    I issued claim via small claims court, but the shop hired solicitor who insists claim has no precedent as procedure is issued over 5 yrs time since the receipt in 2005. Does it not matter there was a new radiator in 2009, which clearly design faulty to be called bathroom radiator. Does the contract (although no legal tender was exchanged and it was partially verbal partially via email conversation) not start at year 2009?

    Many thanks,
    Mango Sorbet

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    • #3
      Re: Sale of goods act/ legal advice?

      Hello Mango Sorbet.

      Have you spoken to your local Trading Standards Department about this? I am of the opinion there may be issues under the Consumer Safety Act with these radiators. Speak to your local Trading Standards Department as soon as possible. If they have received similar complaints or the OFT have issued an alert about these radiators, they will know.
      Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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      • #4
        Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

        Hello Mango Sorbet.

        Have you spoken to your local trading Standards Department yet? There may be issues under the Consumer Safety Act where these radiators are concerned. Speak to your local Trading Standards Department soonest.
        Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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        • #5
          Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

          Originally posted by bluebottle View Post
          Have you spoken to your local trading Standards Department yet? There may be issues under the Consumer Safety Act where these radiators are concerned. Speak to your local Trading Standards Department soonest.
          Could the erosion have been the result of a build-up of protium hydroxide inside an unvented radiator?

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          • #6
            Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

            I agree with Bluebottle. I think trading standards is your best way forward. Was there no paperwork at all issued with the new radiator? A sworn declaration would overcome that issue. CC, it says the corrosion was from the outside, so it would not have been caused by anything internal.

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            • #7
              Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

              Could the outside of the bathroom radiator have come into contact at any time with protium hydroxide?

              Might protium hydroxide been used during the manufacture of the radiator but not been effectively washed off prior to finishing?

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              • #8
                Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

                Hi,
                While I am not "legal advice", I have run radiator centre, and been involved in distribution of these radiators for over 10 years.

                First thing I would say, is that Bisque products are all covered by a 5 year warranty, so from this view you should be covered if there is a manufacturing defect. However, bisque are one of the most established manufacturers in the UK, and while a single error can occur, even with the best, it is very unusual to have a repeated fault.

                Your complaint seems to be about the connections to the radiator, rather than the radiator itself, I would be interested to see any images you have of the problem, I can give you some un-biased advice if needed.

                Were both the radiator AND valves supplied by Bisque ? (the valves seemed cheaper than bisque valves?)
                Which radiator model is it ? and which finish ?

                I would add that your problem seems to be with your supplier, not the manufacturer, and Bisque themselves are normally very responsive to helping if you have a problem with one of their products.

                Obviously, there are limits to the warranty, and the goods must have been installed correctly, under current building regulations etc.....
                and used correctly (ie this is a towel warmer, not dryer, placing soaking wet towels on a radiator like this may cause problems with the paint finishes....

                Please let me know if you need any further help

                Kind Regards
                Paul

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                • #9
                  Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

                  Mightn't wet towels still contain some protium hydroxide?

                  I know the family towel business used protium hydroxide when dying the yarn.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

                    Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post
                    Mightn't wet towels still contain some protium hydroxide?

                    I know the family towel business used protium hydroxide when dying the yarn.
                    What would happen to someone who accidently ingested this stuff, CC?

                    & if it entered into the rivers, etc, what would the fish do?

                    (A field for further study, especially the WC, methinks!)
                    Last edited by charitynjw; 27th March 2012, 09:47:AM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Eroded radiator/sale of goods act?

                      Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                      What would happen to someone who accidently ingested this stuff, CC?

                      & if it entered into the rivers, etc, what would the fish do?
                      The answer is the same for both - they'd die, of course!

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                      • #12
                        Debt recovery

                        Tried to put it up in relevant skill, but system operator keeps telling ''you do not have enough privileges''...

                        Just found out that courts bailiff is getting paid regardless he finds debtor or not, hence warrant of Execution is being returned without avail. While before now I thought ways of justice are slow, but working, now I am not so sure: cost of court procedure, later cost of enforcing warrant of execution, which came to no avail. Is there anything else to make cowboy workman pay what court ordered it is right?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Debt recovery

                          hey mango,

                          not sure what you mean hun, whats happened?
                          are you employing the baillif, or on the recieving end of one?

                          let us know the full story, see if we can help you

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                          • #14
                            Re: Debt recovery

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                            You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                            Cohen, Herb


                            There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                            gets his brain a-going.
                            Phelps, C. C.


                            "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                            The last words of John Sedgwick

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                            • #15
                              Re: Debt recovery

                              ty chas

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