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  • Another car dealer CRA help needed

    Sorry for the long post....

    On 10/05/2023 I bought a BMW 320d Xdrive at a cost of £7850, it was delivered as a distance selling sale. They say all their cars come with a new mot with no advisories, i checked a couple of weeks later to see that it hadn't been mot'd. I had to mot it myself as their mechanic had "forgotten" and it came back with 2 advisories for worn tyres. They didn't offer to replace so i did at a cost of £600.

    27/06/2023 informed dealer that I was putting the car in to a BMW specialist to get it looked at.

    05/07/2023 informed dealer that the specialist advised they would change the gearbox and transfer box oil to start with.

    08/07/2023 I called the dealer as they weren’t replying to emails, they didn’t answer so left a message saying that I had emailed a couple of times.

    09/07/2023 I had an email back apologising that they hadn’t seen my emails as they had gone in to their junk folder. I was surprised at this as it was their sales email and they found mine after 2 weeks when I hadn’t told them who I was when calling. They also referenced my warranty that I had no knowledge of as i hadn’t been given any paperwork for it.

    09/07/2023 they said the oil change wasn’t covered by warranty and they could get their mechanic to look at it. I asked when that would be and they didn’t reply. (I believe the CRA 2015 states you can’t refuse to deal with a complaint about a fault or defect on the grounds that a warranty doesn’t cover it) They said they would get a price from their mechanic to do the work. They said their mechanic was fully booked and they would let me know. They didn't.

    10/07/2023 I told the dealer I wouldn’t be interested in paying for changing any oil until the fault is fixed, he then reiterated he would see when he could fit me in.

    18/07/2023 I asked for details of the warranty, the reply was that the oil wouldn’t be covered by the warranty and to get the oil changed to see if it resolves the issue and let them know. They said they have a friend who is a BMW mechanic who said he’s pretty sure the oil change will cure it. They didn’t supply any details of a warranty as I had asked for although their website states that every car comes with an RAC warranty with complimentary RAC rescue. They then said that because of the age and mileage the RAC wouldn’t cover it so I have a 3 month in house engine and gearbox warranty.

    05/08/2023 I informed them the oil change had been done at a cost of £490 to myself and it hadn’t fixed the problem.

    07/08/2023 I emailed saying I wanted to return the car under the CRA 2015 minus an agreed amount for usage. I also said that I could return under Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 as I hadn’t been informed of my right of cancellation at the time of delivery. Under the CRA a repair is deemed failed if not sorted in a reasonable amount of time. I don’t think 6 weeks is reasonable when they have had every chance to look at it. I also see the fact they told me to get an oil change as their BMW mechanic friend said it should fix it as their 1 chance of repair as they told me to get it done.

    07/08/2023 I had a reply saying they had been on holiday and that they hadn’t been given the chance to look at the car. I reiterated they had the chance since the beginning of July when they first offered. Thinking about it they have had the opportunity since the 27/06/2023. They also said they hadn’t requested me to get an oil change which in a previous email is exactly what they said.
    They then totally ignore an email I send and reply with when can I drop the car off, they want to inspect it and to see if it has been “tampered” with.
    I ask about one of their “range of courtesy cars”, they replied that they don’t have courtesy cars and never had. I replied it’s advertised on their website and they replied it’s the RAC that do.
    They have now offered to collect the car.

    To summarise, they ignored me from the 27/06/2023 to the 09/08/2023.
    They offered to book car in to get it looked at which I was happy to do, I never got a reply.
    They tried to use the warranty to get out of any responsibilities for fixing the car.
    Told me to get the oil changed then denied saying it.
    After 6 weeks and me informing them I want to return the car they are suddenly wanting to look at it.
    I don’t want them to as they are insinuating that it’s been tampered with before they even have it back.
    I have offered to accept an amount for usage as per CRA and also do the ADR through the RAC they are approved by.

    Am I right that they have had plenty of opportunities to look at the car and haven’t done so it’s been an unreasonable amount of time so the repair is deemed failed? Also, them telling me to get the oil changed, is that deemed as their 1 chance of repair that has also failed? I believe all under the CRA 2015?. Also that I can return the car under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 as I hadn’t been informed of my right of cancellation at the time of delivery?

    What should my next move be?

    Thanks in advance.
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  • #2
    Hi,
    what was the problem with the gearbox? I can't see it mentioned in your thread.

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    • #3
      There is a judder/slipping into gears when accelerating, not all the time though, it normally relates to the transfer box on these cars but I think its the start of it going as its not constant.

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      • #4
        Your rights to cancel the contract under the Consumer Contracts Regulations may be covered under the dealer's standard terms and conditions. Look for their T&C on their website and paperwork.

        I am not a mechanic so I don't know how serious the gearbox problem is. I do know if a new or reconditioned gearbox is required it will be expensive.
        I take it one of your emails reported the intermittent fault with the gearbox. You followed their suggestion to change the gearbox oil. Keep the receipt for this work. Unfortunately the oil change didn't solve the problem and further gearbox investigation is required.

        The following is my opinion only. Other forum users may disagree.

        Although you reported the fault within 30 days of delivery you did not reject the car within this period. Under CRA 2015 you still have a final right to reject the car within 6 months of delivery provided the car has or develops a major fault. The dealer must be given one opportunity to carry out a successful repair within a reasonable time.

        The dealer now wants to collect the car and investigate the fault. To me this seems his first opportunity to repair it. I personally would write to the dealer to agree a time for collection, and state that you will give him one week to successfully repair the gearbox. If he fails you intend to reject the car under CRA 2015.

        In the meantime keep receipts for work to the car and for public transport where the car would have been used.




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        • #5
          [QUOTE
          07/08/2023 I emailed saying I wanted to return the car under the CRA 2015 minus an agreed amount for usage. I also said that I could return under Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 as I hadn’t been informed of my right of cancellation at the time of delivery. Under the CRA a repair is deemed failed if not sorted in a reasonable amount of time. I don’t think 6 weeks is reasonable when they have had every chance to look at it. I also see the fact they told me to get an oil change as their BMW mechanic friend said it should fix it as their 1 chance of repair as they told me to get it done.

          07/08/2023 I had a reply saying they had been on holiday and that they hadn’t been given the chance to look at the car. I reiterated they had the chance since the beginning of July when they first offered. Thinking about it they have had the opportunity since the 27/06/2023.
          [/QUOTE]

          I agree with you.
          If you want shot of the car tell them you consider it rejected and it is available for their collection.

          You also need to claim for the oil change

          You purchased vehicle on 10/05/23, bur when was it delivered to you?

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          • #6
            Thanks for replies, the car was delivered on the 12/05/2023

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            • #7
              Just my thoughts. I have years of knowledge in regards to vehicle repairs, Comercial and cars, from what you say the Gearbox is in trouble (probably you are aware of that) you have bought somebodys problem,if you have a diecent garage you can trust, ask the cost of a replacement gearbox,I know life is a learning curve, and I bet you wont do or buy a car with a dealers praise, trust me they lie,then lie again when you atempt to recover your money. PS in future employ the AA to check it over,they have nothing to gain in incoret information.And that is the best advice I can offer.

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              • #8
                Yep, faults happen with cars, it's how the dealers deal with it is the problem. Good point though, i'll definitely get inspection done next time.

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                • #9
                  Hi all, This has been going on for so long that i'm going to return under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013, i'm going to have to go to court with it, quick question, if we're in court for this and the dealer starts talking about CRA 2015 and having chances to fix etc, will the judge ignore that and just deal with the reason we're actually there for? Thanks in advance and appreciate any help that can be given.

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                  • #10
                    Why limit your claim to Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013 ?
                    Include both the Regs and CRA 2015

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                    • #11
                      Wouldn't it make it more confusing in court using both? How does it work using both, does one get looked at and if that fails it moves onto the next?

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                      • #12
                        You simply apply both
                        In the first instance you say you are due the refund due to the vehicle being unsatisfactory as per CRA 2015,
                        And then you say in the alternative you are due the refund because of the Distant selling regs weren't given you so you have 12 months ....

                        I think you'll find a judge will be able to grasp the position.
                        I know we tend to think small claims is a bit of a lottery, but I haven't heard any suggestion that judges are deficient in comprehension

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                        • #13
                          I see what you mean, if the refund was offered under the cra 2015 they may be able to charge mileage, i believe thats correct? The distance selling should be straightforward given as it's a yes or no question as in did they give the correct details or not? I'm not to good at getting what I mean across when writing it..

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                          • #14
                            Whilst a usage charge may be made,(it should be around 15p per mile) you can also add in your other costs (CRA 2015 sec19 (10 - 11)

                            And what if the dealer claims you were informed of your rights?
                            Presumably some paperwork has been signed.... could it include a receipt for (non) delivered statement of rights.
                            Obviously I don't know what did or did not pass between you, but dealers do sometimes seem a little slippery.
                            I personally would go for belt and braces, but your call.

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                            • #15
                              Would make sense, I've never actually signed anything, not even the invoice. I'll have another read up on the CRA 2015..

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