Do we need a sign?

[dogtired]

This is on behalf of Mr DT.
His hobby is model boats, which include sail and power.
He and some others use a local canal, with the owner permission.
This canal has long been neglected but the owner has worked very hard, along with a band of volunteers to restore this bit.
Last year they put a wooden pontoon in , again with permission to enable them to launch the boats.
Mr DT is unsure about public liability insurance as fishermen and people launching canoes also use the pontoon .
If he were to put up a notice saying something like " use of this pontoon is at your own risk" would that be admitting liability?

[dogtired]

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Bump!

[Kati]

Re: Do we need a sign?

[MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION] [MENTION=6]Amethyst[/MENTION] [MENTION=39710]des8[/MENTION]?? any idea??

[Kati]

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just on the off chance [MENTION=4698]dogtired[/MENTION] ... have you any idea if the 'bit' of canal he uses is owned by the river authority (and leased) or owned outright??

[des8]

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Apologies for not picking up earlier DT

The only liability they have would be from their own negligence
The basic legal principle is that you can never disclaim liability for injury or death caused by negligence. but I believe it is also potentially a criminal offence to attempt it. Although liability for injury or death caused by negligence cannot be disclaimed, damage to propertycan be excluded

just to add as they are not a club or any such their public liability as individuals will probably be covered by their household insurance if it has public liability cover

[dogtired]

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Owned out right .
There are as I understand it up three " owners" for various lengths of the canal.

just on the off chance @dogtired ... have you any idea if the 'bit' of canal he uses is owned by the river authority (and leased) or owned outright??

[dogtired]

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Thank you, nothing formal as a club as yet, but individuals paid for the materials to make the pontoon.
The owner seems happy enough for them to use this stretch of water.
If, as seems likely they will become a formal club next year ( still sorting out a bank that will deal with money)
would a sign be necessary? At the moment Mr DT and some of the others are there at weekends.
Its a popular dog walking area and there has been a permissive path along side it.
There are course fish and again it has become very popular for this..
I will try and get a photo to give you an idea but this is on my PC.

Apologies for not picking up earlier DT

The only liability they have would be from their own negligence
The basic legal principle is that you can never disclaim liability for injury or death caused by negligence. but I believe it is also potentially a criminal offence to attempt it. Although liability for injury or death caused by negligence cannot be disclaimed, damage to propertycan be excluded

just to add as they are not a club or any such their public liability as individuals will probably be covered by their household insurance if it has public liability cover

[dogtired]

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Taken in June at an "open" day.
The pontoon is just in front of the two green gazebos.
I think it looks like a high heeled boot! the heel part is the lock, sadly needs a lot of work to restore it.
Ownership changes just beyond the bridge but currently too shallow for anything

[des8]

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Thank you, nothing formal as a club as yet, but individuals paid for the materials to make the pontoon.So each is responsible as owner of the pontoon, and those who actually built it will have some iability
The owner seems happy enough for them to use this stretch of water.Has he not given formal permission? So he will possibly have some liability
If, as seems likely they will become a formal club next year ( still sorting out a bank that will deal with money)So they would be advised as a club to obtain public liability insurance
would a sign be necessary? disclaimer signs are hardly worth the cost of erection, tho' it might dissuade an unfortunate victim trying to sue At the moment Mr DT and some of the others are there at weekends.
Its a popular dog walking area and there has been a permissive path along side it.
There are course fish and again it has become very popular for this..
I will try and get a photo to give you an idea but this is on my PC.

Did you use a drone yourself to get the pic DT?

[dogtired]

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Thank you, has given him food for thought!
Yes they do have permission from the owner
The photo was actually taken by a small plane from a local airfield.
Cannot take the credit!

Did you use a drone yourself to get the pic DT?