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  • This could have a very major effect on repossessions

    If the same applies to the UK, (which I think it does) then it will have a major effect on creditors being able to repossess homes

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/bu...2&ref=business

    http://homeequitytheft.blogspot.com/...documents.html

    http://www.jaxlegalaid.org/v2/



    WE are all learning, to our deep distress, how the perpetual pursuit of profits drove so many of the bad decisions that financial institutions made during the mortgage mania.

    But while investors tally the losses that were generated by loose lending so far, the impact of another lax practice is only beginning to be seen. *That is the big banks’ minimalist approach to meeting legal requirements — bookkeeping matters, really — when pooling thousands of loans into securitization trusts.

    Stated simply, the notes that underlie mortgages placed in securitization trusts must be assigned to those trusts soon after the firms create them. And any transfers of these notes must also be recorded.

    But this seems not to have been a priority with many big banks. The result is that bankruptcy judges are finding that institutions claiming to hold the notes that back specific mortgages often cannot prove it.*

    *On Feb. 11, a circuit court judge in Miami-Dade County in Florida set aside a judgment against Ana L. Fernandez, a borrower whose home had been foreclosed and repurchased on Jan. 21 by Chevy Chase Bank, the institution claiming to hold the note. *But the bank had been unable to produce evidence that the original lender had assigned the note, which was in the amount of $225,000, to Chevy Chase.

    With the sale set aside, Ms. Fernandez remains in the home. “We believe this loan was never assigned,” said Ray Garcia, the lawyer in Miami who represented the borrower. *Now, he said, it is up to whoever can produce the underlying note to litigate the case. The statute of limitations on such a matter runs for five years, he said.

    A spokeswoman for Capital One, which is in the process of acquiring Chevy Chase*, did not return a phone call on Friday seeking comment.

    Mr. Garcia has another case in which a borrower tried to sell his home but could not because the note underlying a $60,000 second mortgage cannot be found. *The statute of limitations on the matter will expire in October, he said, and if the note holder has not come forward by then, the borrower will be free of his obligation on the second mortgage.*

    No one knows how many loans went into securitization trusts with defective documentation. *But as messes go, this one has, ahem, potential. According to Inside Mortgage Finance, some eight million nonprime mortgages were put into securities pools in 2005 and 2006 and sold to investors. The value of these loans was $797 billion in 2005 and $815 billion in 2006.*

    If notes underlying even some of these mortgages were improperly assigned or lost, that will surely complicate pending legislation intended to allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgage terms for troubled borrowers. A so-called cram-down provision in the law would let judges reduce the size of a loan,forcing whoever holds the security interest in it to take a loss.

    But if the holder of the note is in doubt, how can these loans be modified? *Bookkeeping is such a bore, especially when there are billions to be made shoveling loans into trusts like coal into the Titanic’s boilers. You can imagine the thought process: Assigning notes takes time and costs money, why bother? Who’s going to ask for proof of ownership of these notes anyhow? *But as the Fernandez case and others indicate, bankruptcy judges across the country are increasingly asking these pesky questions. Two judges in California — one in state court, another in federal court — issued temporary restraining orders last month stopping foreclosures because proper documentation was not produced by lenders or their representatives. And in another California case, a borrower’s lawyer was awarded $8,800 in attorney’s fees relating to costs spent litigating against a lender that could not prove it had the right to foreclose.

    California cases are especially interesting because foreclosures in that state can be conducted without the oversight of a judge. Borrowers who do not have a lawyer representing them can be turned out of their homes in four months.

    Samuel L. Bufford, a federal bankruptcy judge in Los Angeles since 1985, has overseen some 100,000 bankruptcy cases. He said that in previous years, he rarely asked for documentation in a foreclosure case but that problems encountered in mortgage securitizations have made him become more demanding.

    In a recent case, Judge Bufford said, he asked a lender to produce the original of the note and it turned out to be different from the copy that had been previously submitted to the court. The original had been assigned to a bank that had then transferred it to Freddie Mac, the judge explained. “They had no clue what happened after that,” he said. “Now somebody’s got to go find that note.”

    “My guess is it’s because in the secondary mortgage market they have been sloppy,” Judge Bufford added. “The people who put the deals together get paid for the deals, but they don’t get paid for the paperwork.”

    A small but spirited group of consumer lawyers has argued for years that the process of pooling residential mortgages into securities was so haphazard that proper documentation of the loans was never made in many cases. Leading the brigade is April Charney, a foreclosure lawyer at Jacksonville Legal Aid in Florida http://www.jaxlegalaid.org/v2/ ; she now trains consumer lawyers around the country to litigate these cases.

    Depending on the documentation defect, lawyers say, investors in the trust could try to force the institution that sold the loan to the trust to buy it back. Many of these institutions would be unable to do so, however, because they are defunct. In the meantime, when judges are not persuaded that the documentation is proper, troubled borrowers can remain in their homes even if they are delinquent.

    THE woes brought on by sloppy bookkeeping in securitizations will be on the agenda at the American Bankruptcy Institute’s annual spring meeting on April 3. An article titled “Where’s the Note, Who’s the Holder,” co-written by Judge Bufford and R. Glen Ayers, a former federal bankruptcy judge in Texas, will be the basis of a discussion at the meeting.
    *Mr. Ayers, who is a lawyer at Langley & Banack in San Antonio, said he expects that these documentation problems will halt a lot of foreclosures. That will mean pain for investors who hold the securities. The problem for those who expect to receive the benefit of the note, Mr. Ayers said, is that they “may not be able to show to the judge they have a right to foreclose.”* *“It’s a huge problem,” he added. “It’s going to be expensive, I don’t know how expensive, ultimately to the bondholders.” * ---End Quote---
    Last edited by righty; 1st March 2009, 20:45:PM.

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    Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

    Further to the foregoing it's been announced the largest forecloser auctioneers in America are about to set up shop in the UK & this explains why. They have seen the writing on the wall, namely that they are going to get their butts kicked in the US of A
    Last edited by righty; 2nd March 2009, 20:08:PM.

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    • #3
      Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

      Sent to me by another member, who’s name I don’t have consent to disclose, & as he/she says “worth a read”

      http://www.parliament.the-stationery...t/11016h05.htm


      As we are in a bit of a limbo re charges how about looking into this in more depth & seeing if we can produce a strategy based on this to help those threatened with repossession .... any comments??

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      • #4
        Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

        Wot! no comment's. Is no one interested???

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        • #5
          Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

          Quite a bit of reading there.

          From what I understand, and I'm a bit thick on these matters....

          Mortgage companies sell off their mortgage books to these giant companies but certificates and legal ownerships arent transferred properly so the paperwork isnt in order thus rendering agreements unenforceable ?

          Just reading the hansard one now but I think its a bit beyond me.
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          • #6
            Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

            Think of it this way I sell a car on easy payments I then ask you to take over the asset & pay me a percentage up front because I tell you the borrower will return your investment 5 fold.

            However the borrower, who knows nothing of these changes, then defaults you go after them for payment or the return of the asset. The borrower then says hang on who the hell are you & you say I'm the owner of the financial agreement & therefore the asset/car & they say prove it! & you can't because you don't have the paperwork which should have been passed by me to you but wasn't
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            Unless someone can make a good argument to the contrary I do think this thing has legs & if right wouldn't it be a bonus to those facing eviction by receivers without court scrutiny particular those who find that through no fault of their own are being evicted because the buy to rent landlord has failed to pay the mortgage.

            In addition it could be of benefit to those where the lender is using their contractual right to evict owners again without court scrutiny, including those who have never been in arrears.
            Last edited by righty; 2nd March 2009, 12:09:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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            • #7
              Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

              So, as you've helped me to understand, this is enforcement action of a debt that has been sold under securitisation.

              So, while HUGE in the Sates, it seems to be making inroads into the UK as well.
              The main thrust of a defence of this action would be absolute proof as to the ownership of the debt.

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              • #8
                Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                Correct Curly The thing is securitisation is global. We are as much as involved as the States perhaps even more so. The banks operate throughout the World so it's as relevant here as it is there
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                Anyone who has copy of their mortgage agreement should look at the T's &C's in which they will find a term which allows the lender to sell/transfer your mortgage to another without as much as your by or leave. It's this term which allows them to 'sell' (securitize) your mortgage
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                What's the chance in the near future of a London W/E get together to discuss this in detail & do you think TB would be interested?
                Last edited by righty; 2nd March 2009, 12:20:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                • #9
                  Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                  Is this similar to Kensington / Derbyshire Home loans selling off their mortgage books ?
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                  • #10
                    Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                    Yes. Most mortgages are now securitized & not just sub-prime. They are bundled up into derivatives which then go into SPV's (trusts) which are then managed by the receiver. The agent/receiver has very little power to alter the terms of the SPV. They CANNOT reschedule the loan as that would be a breach of the trust. This fact make a mockery of the governments claims to stop repos

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                    • #11
                      Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                      Ive thought about this before in relation to Shared Appreciation Mortgages that were sold by Barclays and BOS in the 1990s and I'm still puzzled.

                      Both Barclays & BOS say they cannot alter the terms of these mortgages because they were securitised, yet the legal charges are still showing on land registry documents in the names of Barclays & BOS.

                      As far as I know holders of these mortgages never received notices of assignment when Barclays and BOS securitised them.

                      Ive drawn a blank on this, does anyone have any ideas.

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                      • #12
                        Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                        Because the right is in the terms the FSA allows the lender to forgo the requirement to send a NofA Wether this is legal is another matter
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                        I fully understand you have met with a brick wall That's because they don't want borrowers to find out & be able to find ways to stop repos amongst other things
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                        Cyn have you SAR'd them &/or asked them who has your mortgage
                        Last edited by righty; 2nd March 2009, 20:33:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                        • #13
                          Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                          Fortunately I dont have one of these mortgages, but I'm trying to help some pensioners who took them out. SAMS were sold mainly to the elderly, some of whom are in their 80s and 90s now

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                          • #14
                            Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                            OK well if they haven't already they need to SAR the lender after which you should be able to move matters forward

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                            • #15
                              Re: This could have a very major effect on repossessions

                              I'm trying to help 3 separate cases at the moment. They have all sent SAR to their lenders, yet not one of them has been provided with a N of A.

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