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  • Car trouble with selling trader.

    Hi Guy's, wonder if anyone can give me some guidance.

    I bought a £16,500 car from a registered vehicle trader on 29th April. Upon driving the car home the 200 miles home from the garage I noticed that the Active Cruise Control was not working.

    I gave them a call as I had been given a 3 month 3000 mile full vehicle parts and labour warranty by them and they told me to take it to the BMW dealership and have the problem diagnosed. I done that and the dealer told me that the sensor required re-alignment which would cost almost £400. I phoned the place I bought the car from and they told me to get it done and send them the invoice for reimbursement.

    I booked it into the dealer and they attempted to re-align the sensor which failed. They said that the sensor must be faulty as it would not initialise with the programming system. The cost of a replacement sensor would be a total of £2200. I called the dealer whom I bought the car from and he said that he would call BMW customer services in order to try and get them to reimburse part of the cost on the basis that the vehicle was only 5 months out of warranty. The dealer had already told me BMW would not entertain him as he was a trader and he had sold me the car therefore it was his responsibility to get it fixed. I agreed to let him try this anyway as I was off on holiday the next day for 2 weeks and so there was nothing I could do at this point.

    2 weeks later and back from holiday I have a cheque at the door for the £400 to cover the cost of the alignment which I had already paid BMW with a compliments slip stating that they would call me back on 29th May. That came and no call. I called them and the guy (owner of the garage) would call me back as he was dealing with a customer. Since then I have had no return calls despite phoning them every day and leaving voicemail messages on both their business landline and mobile. I know he/they are working as their website has been updated with stock and the voicemail has changed since his holiday message.

    I have this morning sent them the following email (of which I have a read receipt)...

    Dear XXXX,

    Since my telephone contact with XXX at 13:35 on 25th May in which he stated that he would call me back within an hour after dealing with a current customer, I have had no response and been unable to contact him or any representative of XXX Cars since. I have attempted contact on both your business landline (XXXXX) and mobile telephone (XXXX) each time leaving a message with my details in order for you to return my calls.
    As your website is updating and your voicemail message has changed in the last day I can only assume that you are open for business and ignoring my calls. For this reason and after taking legal advice, I am sending you this email to request that you contact me within the next 2 working days.

    If you fail to contact me within the above stated timeframe I will have deemed myself to have attempted contact with you via every channel possible regarding this matter. I will therefore be issuing you with a written letter stating my case for recovering the costs of repair or full refund of the vehicle which I purchased from your dealership on 29th March 2008.

    If I receive no response in relation to the above said letter I will be submitting evidence to the courts formally rejecting the vehicle for a full refund under s.14 (2) and s.14 (3) of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 with the inclusion of interest, costs and compensation. This case will be based on; misrepresentation of your advert which clearly states the vehicle has Active Cruise Control, breach of contract bound by the 3 month warranty provided to me and signed at the time of purchase and also the said sections under the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

    Let me assure your Dealership that I have dealt with issues such as this in the past and I will not be going away on the matter. I would therefore hope that you will respect your duty and contractual agreements and repair the vehicle before I am required to take this matter further.

    Yours Faithfully,
    The question now is... I don’t want to have to reject the car and I also don’t want to have to pay the cost of repair out of my own pocket then have to fight to reclaim the cost back. Can I make a claim through the MoneyClaim web site with a reimbursement of the amount to fix the vehicle from the invoice which I received from them after paying for the car? OR will I have to formally reject the car and proceed for a full refund?

    Hope someone can give me some initial guidance on this before I have to go all out with the solicitors.

    Many thanks.

  • #2
    Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

    Hi, your email is excellent and presses all the right buttons. I would wait and see if you get any response from them before deciding your next course of action. However with regard to rejecting the car, you've told them that you will, if you don't want to then other measures will have to be taken, but I'm not sure what.

    Will bump this up for you so we can find out the legal position.
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    • #3
      Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

      Thanks WendyB,

      I am currently writting my final postal letter to them with full account of events prior to court submission should they not respond to my email.

      Once I have finished would it be ok to post my letter (blanking identifiable relevant parts) for comment from other legal peeps?

      Thanks for your help.

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      • #4
        Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

        Yep, post away! There's always someone about to make helpful suggestions. Loads of people know far more about the legal aspects than me and should be able to help.
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        • #5
          Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

          Ok, here is the final postal letter I am preparing for them. Please make your comments.



          RE: Costs for Repair of Active Cruise Control Sensor

          Dear xxxxx Cars,

          Since my last letter to you dated 9th May 2008 and attempts to contact you with various voicemail messages and email dated 5th June 2008, please find below the events which have lead me to write this subsequent final letter in order to inform you of court proceedings with the next 7 days unless monies are paid in full for the repair of the Active Cruise Control Radar Sensor on the above said vehicle which I purchased from xxxxxx Cars on 29th March 2008.

          29th March 2008
          I purchased a BMW 530d SE (reg xxxxxx) from xxxxxx Cars dealing with company Secretary; xxxxxx. Upon driving from xxxxxx back to my home city in xxxxxx it was discovered that the Active Cruise Control produced a fault message, deactivating the system and rendering it unusable.

          31st March 2008
          I telephoned xxxxxx Cars and spoke with xxxxxx informing him of the problem. I was told to take the vehicle to a BMW dealership and have the problem diagnosed. I subsequently made an appointment to submit the vehicle into BMW xxxxxx.

          ??????? 2008
          I submitted the vehicle to BMW xxxxxx where it was diagnosed that an alignment of the Active Cruise Control Sensor was required. However this particular dealership did not have the specialist equipment to fix the issue therefore they put me in contact with a dealership in xxxxxx which did.

          I spoke with xxxxxx BMW who confirmed that they had the equipment. I informed xxxxxx via telephone at xxxxxx Cars of the situation and involved costs and he subsequently agreed that I go ahead and book the car in for repair at xxxxxx BMW. The booking was therefore made for 9th May 2008.

          9th May 2008
          I submitted the vehicle to xxxxxx BMW where it spent 5 hours undergoing repair. After this time I was informed that technicians had attempted to initialise the Active Cruise Control Radar Sensor 5 times each time it failed. This resulted in the consensus that the requirement of a new radar sensor was required.

          As a result the following cost breakdown would be payable for the repair:
          • Active Cruise Control (ACC) Bracket £23.58 exc. VAT
          • ACC Sensor £1536.17 exc. VAT
          • Alignment of ACC £318 exc. VAT

          Including VAT this equates to a total sum of £2206.36

          At this point I telephoned xxxxxx Cars and spoke with Director; xxxxxx to relay the news and seek guidance on the action to take as part of the statutory 3 month warranty I was given when I purchased the vehicle. xxxxxx stated that he wanted to speak with BMW Customer Services regarding partial reimbursement of this cost as a good will gesture as the vehicle was only 5 months out of manufacturer’s warranty. I agreed to this as I was to depart on a two week holiday the next day (10th May 2008), however I was fully aware that the Warranty is underwritten by xxxxxx Cars themselves and that being a vehicle trader the repair of the aforementioned fault was not the responsibility of BMW but xxxxxx Cars themselves.

          27th May 2008
          After returning from holiday I telephoned xxxxxx Cars to determine the progress xxxxxx had made with BMW regarding the good will gesture claim. xxxxxx stated that he was still looking into it and that he would call me back when he returned from holiday on the 29th May. I agreed.

          29th May 2008
          I awaited xxxxxx's call for the duration of the morning. With no call being received I telephoned xxxxxx Cars at 13:35. I again spoke to xxxxxx who stated that he was currently busy with a customer and he would call me back, “in about one hour”. I agreed to this. I received no calls that day from xxxxxx or anyone from xxxxxx Cars.

          30th May 2008 09:46
          I telephoned xxxxxx Cars and received no answer, I left a message on the business landline answering machine with my number (on which I have voicemail) and asked him to call me back. I received no calls from xxxxxx Cars.

          2nd June 11:21
          I telephoned xxxxxx Cars again. No answer on either the business landline number or mobile. I left a message this time on the mobile answering service and asked him to call me back regarding the issue.

          3rd June 15:41
          I telephoned xxxxxx Cars on both their landline business number and mobile. Again I received no answer.

          Following on from my last telephone contact with xxxxxx at 13:35 on 29th May 2008, in which he stated that he would return my call after dealing with a current customer, I have received no return call from xxxxxx or any representative of xxxxxx Cars. It is therefore evident that you are avoiding re-contact with me to resolve this issue.

          I am therefore writing this letter to you so that you are able to respond promptly and appropriately regarding this matter within the next 7 days before I submit my evidence and claim to Her Majesty’s Courts Service for reimbursement of the above stated total repair costs plus court costs plus compensation plus interest.

          My case will be submitted to the courts based on the following facts;
          • The vehicle is not fit for purpose under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 given that most of my driving is conducted on the motorway and the failed Active Cruise Control Sensor is a primary feature for which I purchased the vehicle.
          • Misrepresentation of your advert which clearly states the vehicle has Active Cruise Control
          • Breach of contract bound by the fully inclusive parts and labour 3 month warranty provided to me and signed at the time of purchase.

          I include all of the above said evidence enclosed with this letter for your reference.

          If you subsequently fail to respond to the court summons and default judgement is awarded to me I will be required to initiate debt recovery services and enforce restrictions on your owned property until all owed monies are paid in full.

          Yours Faithfully,
          I have subsiquently obtained both company partners home addresses and plan to send this letter recorded signed for delivery to both business and private addresses.

          Fire away with comments people...

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          • #6
            Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

            If the seller is a limited company (as seems likely given that you mention "company secretary), then sending copies of the letter to the directors' home addresses is harrassment IMHO.

            Even if it's a partnership, I think that it's a bit heavy-handed at this stage. Your deal is with the business, not with them as individuals.

            Apart from that, I think that you mention all the critical things and it's a great letter.

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            • #7
              Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

              Ok, thanks for the feedback, I will refrain from sending to their private addresses in that case.

              In my defence however, and my reason for wanting to do this, is that since I have been unable to contact anyone through their business address then their private address was just another way of ensuring that they receievd the letter. Even if they reply and state that the business has been made insolvent (which it has not) then at least they have had a chance to reply on the matter.

              Any further comments welcome.

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              • #8
                Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                Hi Jambon,

                I agree that sending the letter, which covers everything quite well, to their home address is unreasonable at this stage. Direct any correspondence to the business address. It may be worthwhile mentioning that you will also refer the matter to the company`s local Trading Standards office.

                As you have mentioned that the car was advertised complete with ACC make sure you can back this up in court if necessary. Do you have a copy of the original advertisement? If not, do so.

                Can I also ask how the car was financed, if you paid for at least £100 (maybe the deposit) by credit card then you also have the rights to pursue this via your card provider.

                You also mention going all out with the solicitors in your initial post, did you mean you will be instructing solicitor to act on your behalf ?

                Again, it`s a very good letter and covers all the relevant information

                Good luck
                Jules
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                • #9
                  Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                  Agreed as above post, not to home address.

                  Local Trading Standards... Good Idea!

                  Yes I can back the advert up, I have a print of it.

                  No, I paid both deposit and final amount on my debit card, not credit card due to the fee's he wanted to charge for the credit card process.

                  No I have not got a solicitor to act on my behalf however my partner is a Conveyancing Solicitor so is able to obtain advice from work from other collegues and also books she has obtained through univerisity and legal practive course etc.

                  AN UPDATE!!!

                  I have this morning recieved an email from the place I bought the car from this morning stating that he has been unable to contact me because of exceptional circumstances which he will explain to me when he calls me at 10:30, I now await his call.
                  Last edited by Jambon1; 6th June 2008, 10:00:AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                    Excellent, will look forward to you posting details of the call.

                    OK, taking bets, his dog died, it ate the warranty agreement, his letterbox was damaged in a horrific boating accident?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                      FURTHER UPDATE!!!
                      He called me and if his exceptional circumstances are the truth then I appreciate his lack of reply. However non the less this issue needs resolving. He has therefore agreed to pay the invoice for the repairs to the car which I am required to book into BMW.

                      I hope therefore that this matter is resolved and any peeps can take this thread (inclduing my email) and use it in their own personal problematic circumstances.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                        After the run around you have had from him, I would be tempted to get him to send you the cheques payment etc, and then book the car in once you have funds.

                        Just to pre-empt the next batch of excuses as to why you havent recieved the payment etc.
                        Not that im cynical or anything

                        PKea

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                        • #13
                          Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                          Good news Jambon,

                          However, as you say, the matter isn`t fully resolved until you are completely satisfied with the repair.

                          May I suggest that to avoid any outlay from yourself and the risk of it not being refunded to you by the trader, that you put in place an agreement that when you take the car into BMW the trader pays for the repairs directly. This negates any possibility of you having to chase him further for any expenditure on your part. I would explain to the BMW agents the circumstances and ask them to have a `quick look` around the rest of the car, you will be amazed what they may find .

                          Good luck, keep us all updated and thanks for the thread so far, it shows people that problems can be resolved successfully if you are determined enough.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                            Yes that did cross my mind. I have asked him to send an email to me stating what we had discussed and that he is going to pay for it.

                            I can do as Tools suggests and get him to pay directly as he agreed to this however given my inability to contact him recently I probably wont be able to contact him on the day either forcing me to pay for the works on my credit card.

                            I think I will ask him to send a cheque to me and on recieving the invoice I send it to him. Does that sound fair?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Car trouble with selling trader.

                              Whichever you feel most confident with Jambon.

                              Also, while you are here, looks like the welcoming committee have spotted you Welcome Jambon1 why not say Hi in there. None of us bite, but a few swallow whole.
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