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    Good Evening ladies and gentlemen.
    My apologies in advance for the length of the following.

    Early this year my mother and I decided to seek planning permission to build a small detached house next to our current house on our existing plot of land. We were given the name of a gentleman who may be able to help. He visited for the first time in June and we discussed potential options then he went away to give us time to make a decision. He returned some 2 weeks later and gave us 2 books containing many different house plan ideas, which we were to choose from. We agreed to a sum of £1000 up front (which we paid at this time) and a further £1000 upon completion and he gave us a copy of his T & C's. Some 5 weeks later when he called to ask for a decision, we asked for a little more time but he told us that this would not be necessary as he knew exactly what we wanted and would call on his considerable experience to design something perfect for us. We chatted for some 2 hours about what we wanted and advised him that we desired a small 3 bedroom detached property and gave him some clear instructions to be followed:

    The house could not be any higher than the existing house and as such a chalet style be used, should have the lounge and master bedroom at the rear of the house and have a downstairs toilet. We also stated that we would not want dormer windows. The building size we gave him to work with was 9 by 5 meters. I even had drawn a very rough idea of what we imagined the internal plan may look like, which he took 1 look at and disregarded.

    What he designed was 1.5 meters higher than the existing house, had the lounge and master bedroom at the front of the house and did not include a downstairs toilet. This was coupled with the fact that the design was much more suited to a large open space and not the small, narrow plot which we have. It was almost as if he had taken no notice during the conversations we had.

    When he visited to go through these plans and I told him that they were not suitable, he became very agitated and rude as if I had dented his ego. I told him that with some revisions the internal plans looked fine but the height and design of the house was not at all suitable.

    His next move was to send out plans of a previous chalet style house that he had designed years ago saying he thought it would be perfect. It was an unattractive and unsuitable design that was 11 meters long and had 2 enormous dormer windows.

    Since this time, he has become very rude and difficult to communicate with. I advised him at the start of the project that I work until 5-6pm every day of the week and as such would need to call him in the evenings. He said at the time that this was fine but has since advised me that he will not speak with me after office hours end at 5pm.

    My mother also contacted him to ask if he would visit again to discuss amending the plans and he shouted at her down the phone and brought her to tears.

    He has since sent 3 letters claiming the following, all of which are completely untrue:

    That we were constantly moving the goal posts
    That upon visiting me with the plans, I agreed to proceed and take the remaining £1000 to him the following weekend
    That he has made 7 visits to our house amounting to 14 hours

    I decided on the 15th of October to write him a letter explaining my/our version of events and letting him know that we would no longer need his "assistance". Due to the fact that he had completely ignored the brief and none of the plans he drew were of any use, and because of the way he treated us I stated that I felt strongly that he should return the £1000 pounds we had paid him. I also stated that if this was not done I would be seeking advice on starting small claims court proceedings to reclaim our money and I would be contacting the local newspaper to tell them of the unprofessional manor in which he had acted and about his abhorrent nature.

    I have returned home from work today to find a Claim form from Northampton County Court advising me that he has started court proceedings against us to reclaim the remaining £1000 he believes we owe him! This includes interest on the amount and a daily rate of £7.50 until a judgement is reached.

    After how he has acted, how can he be taking us to court?!! I assume he has done this to 'strike first'.

    My mother is now besides herself with worry as I have no experience of legal matters, I have no idea how to respond.

    many thanks for taking the time to read this. Any advice you can offer would be very greatly appreciated.

    kindest regards

    James

  • #2
    Re: Court claim - House building plans

    Key question: Did you give him the original brief in writing?

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    • #3
      Re: Court claim - House building plans

      Thanks for your response Enquirer.

      Unfortunately not. It seems now that throughout the process he has completed actions that he could later fall back on in the event of a dispute. We, having no knowledge of the legalities and no idea things would end this way, did not.

      As we have never signed anything, I am clinging to the hope that the conversation to set out these guidelines, would act as an oral contract in the same way that us agreeing to use his services no doubt will.

      Is this not the case?

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      • #4
        Re: Court claim - House building plans

        If as it reads he covered himself well I would think that a trip to a solicitor is needed to many if,buts and maybes here

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        • #5
          Re: Court claim - House building plans

          Thanks Wales. By covered himself, I mean he has written 3 letters claiming a number of things that are completely without factual basis. For example, he stated that he has made 5 site visits that have amounted to 14 hours. He has made 5 that amounted to no more than 5 hours. He claims that upon meeting me with the original set of plans, I agreed to proceed and deliver him the further £1000, which I did not. He also claims to have it record that my cousin, a builder that he knows, said that we enjoyed messing people around and have a long history of it. I have barely spoken to my cousin in 15 years and can hand on heart say that I have never messed anyone around. I have since written a letter refuting these claims but am concerned that if looked upon by the court, may be treated as genuine.

          The if, buts and maybe's aside, I just want to know 3 things:

          If my setting out of conditions to work to will be treated as an oral contract?

          Will any consideration be given to the fact that my letter making him aware that I would take him to court for our £1000 was sent 10 days before he made his claim and so appears that he did this to 'strike first' knowing that I was going to take action?

          Will his unprofessional behaviour and conduct matter at all?

          many thanks

          James

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          • #6
            Re: Court claim - House building plans

            Only a court will decide.Is he a member of a Professional body?

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            • #7
              Re: Court claim - House building plans

              Yes, it states on all of his printed material that he is a fellow of both the architects and surveyors institute and the chartered institute of building.

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              • #8
                Re: Court claim - House building plans

                Worth contacting them both suspect they will try and protect him but they may help.
                As for all the legalities in your case some others on LB might have some info .

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                • #9
                  Re: Court claim - House building plans

                  Originally posted by Red Jim View Post
                  Thanks Wales. By covered himself, I mean he has written 3 letters claiming a number of things that are completely without factual basis. For example, he stated that he has made 5 site visits that have amounted to 14 hours. He has made 5 that amounted to no more than 5 hours. He claims that upon meeting me with the original set of plans, I agreed to proceed and deliver him the further £1000, which I did not. He also claims to have it record that my cousin, a builder that he knows, said that we enjoyed messing people around and have a long history of it. I have barely spoken to my cousin in 15 years and can hand on heart say that I have never messed anyone around. I have since written a letter refuting these claims but am concerned that if looked upon by the court, may be treated as genuine.

                  The if, buts and maybe's aside, I just want to know 3 things:

                  If my setting out of conditions to work to will be treated as an oral contract? IMHO, yes.

                  Will any consideration be given to the fact that my letter making him aware that I would take him to court for our £1000 was sent 10 days before he made his claim and so appears that he did this to 'strike first' knowing that I was going to take action? Again, it's pretty suggestive, isn't it?

                  Will his unprofessional behaviour and conduct matter at all? If you have evidence to demonstrate it, yes.

                  many thanks

                  James
                  Hi James

                  As far as I know a verbal contract is as binding as a written contract and your agreement would come into this category. The difficulty is in proving the terms of the contract in the light of the disagreement thereon.

                  I agree with Wales that legal advice and contacting the professional bodies would be a wise move.

                  In your shoes I would also write a very bland (purged of emotion lol) factual sequence of events, with details of exact dates, times and agreements reached and breached I would send this to him along with details of how he has not fulfilled his side of the bargain and an invoice (final statement?) for the overdue return of your deposit. Make it short, factual and easy to read. (You may be wise to run it past a solicitor first).

                  If you aren't already, keep a detailed contemporaneous diary of all your dealings with this fellow.

                  As he is clearly laying a paper trail with a view to going to court you should do the same. I would also make it clear to him that you are vigorously defending his claim (and do so) and that you are counter-claiming for your money back. Others here can tell you how to do this but a solicitor specialising in this area of law would be best to advise you on the specific details.

                  Do get all your ducks in a row (paperwork, dates, etc) before going in to the solicitor and don't waste a moment of his time as the meter will be set running as you open the door.

                  As an aside, I can't see a judge being impressed with the unprofessional behaviour nor with any chinese whispers concerning your cousin's alleged opinions.

                  As a further aside, since you advanced him £1,000 in good faith and you have no possible reason to wish to sabotage your own project I would personally think that he is on rather a sticky wicket.

                  Good luck with this - the man sounds an incompetent bully

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                  • #10
                    Re: Court claim - House building plans

                    Many thanks for your response MissFM. I shall be following your advice. If I could possibly ask you to consider one last point. The below is the last paragraph of his penultimate letter:

                    "If you would like to show on the chalet house plans, including the site plan boundaries, any alterations you would like me to make, in red felt pen, and then both sign and date the plans, and include a cheque, made out to me for a further: £500.00 of our fees, I will be only too pleased to further investigate matters for you, even though the previous drawing were completed up to planning submission stage, as was originally agreed in writing, and this further work, now constitutes much extra work."

                    Firstly, this was not agreed in writing and nothing was signed.

                    Does this suggest that at this point he wanted more money to perform more work and implies that at this point we do not owe him anything?

                    the reason I ask is that:

                    1) No more work has taken place since this point

                    2) He states that to do more work he would need a further £500 of his fees. Does this not imply that more money would only be required if more work was done?

                    Again, thanks very much for helping with this matter.

                    Kindest regards

                    James
                    Last edited by Red Jim; 24th October 2013, 20:53:PM. Reason: grammatical mistake

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                    • #11
                      Re: Court claim - House building plans

                      *great

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                      • #12
                        Re: Court claim - House building plans

                        Originally posted by Red Jim View Post
                        The below is the last paragraph of his penultimate letter: ... as was originally agreed in writing, and this further work, now constitutes much extra work."
                        This could be a fatal mistake - require him to produce this 'written agreement'.

                        Originally posted by Red Jim
                        He states that to do more work he would need a further £500 of his fees. Does this not imply that more money would only be required if more work was done?
                        He is suggesting that he completed the work to your requirements, and that you then made additional alterations for which a charge might be made.

                        Advice and comments as per MissFM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Court claim - House building plans

                          Thanks enquirer. Does as was originally agreed in writing, imply this was documented and signed?

                          If so, not such document was produced, let alone signed.

                          Thanks again

                          James

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                          • #14
                            Re: Court claim - House building plans

                            Originally posted by Red Jim View Post
                            Thanks enquirer. Does as was originally agreed in writing, imply this was documented and signed? Yes it does mean that

                            If so, not such document was produced, let alone signed. Then it is a lie. Never a good idea to tell lies, 'specially not in court!

                            Thanks again

                            James
                            Hi James

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                            • #15
                              Re: Court claim - House building plans

                              Sorry James- having a few logistical problems with posting at the mo

                              Enquirer is right - your man is stuffing and trussing his own goose ready to cook.

                              Make sure you are complying with court procedure and time scales (see above stickies and ask for help here for anything you don't understand).

                              Keep cool - your are right and he is wrong. Do your calendar/chart of events with a cool head and don't get sucked in to any carp or letter tennis for the sake of it - but you would be wise to record all the evidence meticulously.

                              FM x

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