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  • Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

    Dear all,

    I do not know if you can help me and my family, but we're getting embroiled deeper and deeper with a legal dispute with our neighbour.

    It all began a few years ago. We had an extension built on the back of our semi-detached house. The build was a disaster, and the builder went bankrupt during month 18 of a 3 to 4 month build!

    Fortunately, the majority of the work was completed. During the last months of this nightmare, I was working in my living room wiring some electrical points when my neighbour banged on the wall, then a few minutes later came around to my front door. He launched into a tirade of abuse which was in most respects very disturbing. I was simply stunned into silence a bit like a rabbit in the lights of an onrushing car. My wife came out to ask my neighbour to stop swearing as my young son could hear this exchange. At this point my neighbour "Flipped" and lunged at us through the front door. my wife and I slammed the door on him, and retreated into the front room. My wife shouted through the top window that he should leave our land and that we're calling the police. I was "Quaking", and I admit I was shaken and very scared. My wife appeared much stronger than I in this case. My neighbour then tried to throw a garden table through our window, but fortunately, missed.
    He then left.

    When we spoke to the police, they offered us the choice of pressing charges, or them going round to "Have a chat" and quieting things down. For right or wrong, we decided that a warning was better.

    Then within a week of this event, a solicitors letter arrived claiming that we were trespassing on his property! Specifically a gutter of the new build was overhanging his property. I had no idea, and the builder was not available, thus reluctantly we agreed to have a surveyor check.

    My hand up, it turns out the gutter did overhang. Its OK at one end of the house, then due to the angle of the property on the land, it gradually moves closer, then overhangs my neighbours land near the original semi detached side. The size of the overhang was a thin triangle about 40mm at one end tapering to nothing over a 4 metre length.

    Still trying to appease we agreed to pay him an easement for this, and £1000 was agreed. I had my solicitor draw up an easement, and we presented this to him. Result he rejected it, and demand we remove the gutter.

    Eventually we reluctantly removed the gutter as technically he was in the right, and he was demanding we remove it or face legal action.

    Next to our dismay, he served another legal document claiming that as we did not have a gutter, water from our roof was discharging onto his property, and causing damage!

    We tried to get the gutter replaced, but he would not accept any other builder than the original bankrupt builder. It was pointed out repeatedly that this person was not available.

    Finally from the "goodness of his heart" he agreed to grant access providing I used his builder. I told him I was happy to consider his builder, but he'd need to be competitive.

    The new builder turned up, and my own replacement roofing contractor also quoted. My roofing contractor was more than half the price of my neighbours contractor, thus I rejected him, and asked for access rights for my contractor so I can make the repairs.

    This morning he demands the right to interview my contractor, and only if he agrees, will he grant access. If he feels the guy is not good enough, I must use his vastly overpriced contractor.

    Now it my turn to snap! It my property, I'm paying all the bills, including his legal cost, and the surveyors fees, and he's continuing this vendetta on me and my family. My own solicitor is having problems with this, and I can see no end in sight.

    My neighbour has threatened that the work must be completed by the end of October, but he's still refusing me access to get the repairs made. This can't be just, as I admit the gutter was in the wrong place, but all my attempts to fix it are being foiled by this erratic and vexatious person. To be blunt I'm thoroughly stressed over it, and knowing its being driven by his wish to hurt us, and not to get a resolution makes it worse.

    Can anybody suggest the best way forward.

    Many thanks,
    D.

  • #2
    Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

    In a Nutshell,

    Your guttter ovehung his property by 40mm
    You offered compensation for this, which was rejectedoo
    He demanded you remove it, which you did
    He now demands that you put a gutter up

    Are these threats letters coming from him or his solicitor

    At a quick glance it looks like youve played fair to appease the situation
    I think it would look bad for him if he did start proceedings agianst you as his action contradict, ie demanding you remove a gutter, then demanding you install one.

    Unfortuantly I have no experience in these matters, as boundary issue can be complicated and Expensive.

    I will get you a link to a site which specialises in advice on these matters, although other members may be able to give you some more advice

    PKea

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    • #3
      Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

      Here are a couple pf Good Sites

      Garden Law advice on fences, trees and boundaries

      Also

      with regard to
      Finally from the "goodness of his heart" he agreed to grant access providing I used his builder. I told him I was happy to consider his builder, but he'd need to be competitive.
      You can get access, through the court if necessary due to this act.

      Access to Neighbouring Land Act 1992

      This gives limited right of access to a neighbours garden/land to carry out "basic preservation works". Until this Act was passed, adjoining owners had virtually no right to go onto their neighbour's land under any circumstances unless it was contained in the Title Deeds. The Title Deeds may well contain a right to go onto your neighbour's land to maintain e.g. drains, pipes and wires particularly if your is a house on a new estate. The right given by the Act has strict rules attached to it. Written notification must be given to the next door garden owner and it is enforceable by Court Order if access is denied.
      What does "basic preservation works include"? In the case of gardens:
      "the clearance, repair or renewal of any drain, sewer, pipe or cable so comprised or situate;
      the treatment, cutting back, felling, removal or replacement of any hedge, tree, shrub or other growing thing which is so comprised and which is, or is in danger of becoming, damaged, diseased, dangerous, insecurely rooted of dead; filling in, or clearance of any ditch ……."
      It should be noted that the Act does apply to party walls.
      more...
      For access to the Act click on the following link:
      http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/a...20023_en_1.htm

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      • #4
        Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

        Hi,

        Thanks for the quick reply and links.

        The "Threats" come through his solicitor, but I've no leagal protection as my household policy surprisingly does not protect me from being sued, just to sue others!

        I'm in the position now of funding both sides of this dispute, and all I want is a quiet life now. Although having said that, I'm not prepared to use his contractor who in all likelyhood is giving him a huge "Kick-bck" for the work. Appears to be the only reason for the massive price difference.

        My own solicitor is cautious over starting a ATNLA case as the original gutter was part of a new build, and he's unsure it will be treated as a repair. Having said that, I feel it should be approved as a protective measure, as potentially both our properties could be damaged through the gutter not being in place.

        Best regards,
        D.

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        • #5
          Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

          What do you mean by 'Your paying his legal costs' ?

          At present all you are recieving are letters from his solicitor, these are not legal documents.

          Nothing can prevent you from being sued, but if you have legal protection on your household policy then they should offer assistance to you in the matter

          I would also advise looking up a solicitor who specialises in boundary and planning disputes.
          Although youre solictor may be good for certain areas, they tend to specialise on only a couple of areas.
          Try and find one that offers a free inital consultion and maybe speak to a few.

          PKea

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          • #6
            Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

            Hi,
            By paying, I mean I'm offering him money as part of the settlement.

            The household policy is a real surprise. Basically Prudential make two statements, you are protected in all matters to do with living at, and the enjoyment of your home. Then adds in the small print, all claims agains you are excluded!

            Cheers,
            D.

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            • #7
              Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

              dont forget t post again if you need more help as there is lots going on and you may get missed.

              :tinysmile_grin_t:
              "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

              "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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              • #8
                Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

                Hi Donchik

                Any updates or progress?

                PKea

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                • #9
                  Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

                  Hi,

                  Last weekend after my solicitor issued a direct threat to allow us access or we'll go to court for an access order, he agreed to let us in to build the scaffold, and start repairs.

                  Surprisingly, he decided not to be present during the access operation, and just left his girlfriend to let my contractor in.

                  Fortunatly all went OK, and the scaffold is now up, and repairs are proceeding.

                  I still do not know where it will finish, but its already cost me an arm and a leg in legal fees to get this far. Hopefully he'll not come up with any more reasons to cause trouble, but I'm up against it timewise as the gutter will not be completed until end of next week, and then the work is dependant on the weather.

                  Almost forgot, his initial position upon granting access was that the whole process had to be over in 30 minutes! Thankfully he did not try to force that particular idiocy.

                  I'll post again with a summary once done, but even though I've got in, I feel huge anger and resentment towards this guy, and just hope he'll sell up soon and move away! Having to pay him for causing us such cost and trouble just rubs my nose in it :mad2:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

                    Thanks for the update

                    Just come and post any more probs and we will try and help you get it sorted

                    PKea

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                    • #11
                      Re: Access to Land Issue with Neighbour

                      Could I just mention that your were NOT seeking access for your benefit but for the land owner who was/is demanding you undertake the modification which of course is impossible if HE refuses

                      Therefore & notwithstanding your statutory rights IMHO you have a very good case in Common Law to seek damages & costs from him for his unreasonable conduct which MUST have resulted in you incurring unnecessary cost as well as added stress

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