Ernest Wilson

[MalcolmD]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Wonder how many clients have been sued (on what grounds) and are there any who have who the case in their favour?

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

From what I've seen there are quite a few business transfer agents whose business model is much the same, sadly, and it goes something like this: get the sucker client signed up with promises of a quick, risk-free sale, don't do very much, when the client becomes unhappy sue them, wave some lawyer-friendly paperwork at the judge (who is after all a lawyer), laugh all the way to your brand new car whilst wondering why your soul feels somehow empty.

If the result of the FOI request I made is taken as an average then Ernest Wilson sues at least one client a month.

[MalcolmD]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Having reviewed many reports proves that by comparison other estate agents have higher levels of integrity and you are very right in your statement.
Fraud is a term that comes to mind

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

A solicitor once told me "if you can get out of a contract with Ernest Wilson, you can get out of anything".

If only they were as successful at their stated aim of selling businesses as they are at suing their clients...

[MalcolmD]

Re: Ernest Wilson

I wrote to the EW "boss who seems not to have any idea what his employees are doing and didn't acknowledge the previous sent letters from his "star" Mr Moorhouse
But I do have their claim in writing as to the number of people who wish to buy,, obviously they didn't speak to anybody. see how that goes down in court

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Malcolm, have EW given you any feedback as to why none of the supposed 2,340 enquiries have turned into a viewing?

They've had another less than glowing review at http://www.allagents.co.uk/ernest-wilson/ (near the bottom of the page), which I've copied just in case it disappears:

These are cowboys. They do nothing to sell your property and seduce with verbal spiel that it is a no sale, no fee service. This is a lie. Anything you sign with them will cost you upwards of £1599. DON'T SIGN ANYTHING WITH THEM. do not use them. THEY WILL ONLY COST YOU MONEY AND STRESS

Comments on the Agents fees

“SEE ABOVE. ALL THIS COMPANY DOES IS SCAM EVERYONE £40 A MONTH TO ADVERTISE IN THEIR LITTLE BOOK THAT GOES NOWHERE. NOT ONE VIEWING IN A YEAR.”

What could Ernest Wilson do to change your mind??

“The agent could cease trading. Give me my money back, however this will nor make me change my mind about them.”

[MalcolmD]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Hi, A EW sales guy came to my shop claiming he would sell the business within a couple of weeks.. , several notifications from a Mr Stuart Moorhouse arrived telling me that they had more than TWO THOUSAND interested people. and that only after 7 months.. only not one has entered the premises and now EW are taking me to court for £1800 that I refuse to pay.. because I think they have mi-sold their "services" to me.. they didn't contest any of my letters which indicated that they were perhaps being "economic with the truth" about the total of 2340 enquiries.. I don't know how the court judgement will prove but apparently EW are very slick

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Sorry to hear about the difficulties you're having tonsorial.artist. If it's any consolation, Ernest Wilson's has considerable experience in this area.

The Campaign for Ethical Business Transfer Agents is a group of people who've had similar experiences - their website is http://www.cebta.org.uk. Also, Andrew Penman at the Daily Mirror is investigating the practices of business transfer agents - one of his recent articles is here.

[MissFM]

Re: Ernest Wilson

http://www.nfopp-regulation.co.uk/co...-outcomes.aspx

If you scroll down you will see that there are several findings against EW (who seem to be almost supernaturally able to wipe any unflattering info about themselves from the internet - all the links provided in posts above no longer work, and that's just the tip of the iceberg as regards what was once on this thread before it was purged).

The fines imposed are, as you see, negligible in comparison to the alleged gains made from what could appear to be a business model based on deception and client gullibility.

I have no personal stake in this but am horrified by the experiences reported and will help and support in any way I can.

Good luck to you all x

[tonsorial.artist]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Hi

i am currently researching Ernest Wilson business transfer agents as i am locked in a complicated legal battle with them.


In 2008 a sales rep from Ernest Wilson came to value my business under a strict no sale no fee understanding

the agent was told that in 8 months from that point if they had not sold the business the lease would be allowed to run and the property returned to the landlord as we had already started relocation
they valued the business way over what i believed to be a reasonable or fair amount but they were confident that's what they could achieve ;
i was skepticle to say the least but with a no sale no fee arrangement what did i have to lose ??
subsequesntly the lease ran down and Ernest Wilson failed to find a viable buyer and so i informed their rep that the premises had been vacated and the business was no longer for sale
that was the end of that i presumed ??
not so fast ...
least year their legal attack dog Mr Stuart Morehouse started legal proceedings for £4245.80 mainly made up of advertising fees to which i never agreed to nor do they have an authorized signature allowing them to do so

after many days in court ( mainly not knowing what the hell i am doing ) they have managed to gain a court judgement against me for the amount of £6700.....to which i was absolutely speechless at !!!
i came away baffled at the way Stuart Morehouse conducts himself in court, there am i not knowing what is happening and this man seems very much at home there ??
over the last week since losing the case ( which i am of course appealing as they are now trying to put a charging order on our property!!)
i am starting to uncover information that i am not the only person this may have happened to, so far i have found your article named and shaming them publicly and the N.F.O.P.P publication relating to their displeasure of Ernest Wilson's vague contracts, not to mention the Internet forums packed with people who seem to have had very similar experiences to me relating to the way these companies are doing business

Below are some of the points i am finding



1. overvaluing business's at source wilfully knowing it's unachievable just to get you to sign the contract.

2. knowing that even if the business does not sell they will still get paid for fees i did not agree regarding unauthorised advertising costs.

3.using their knowledge and experience in the small claims court to enforce these vague contracts.

4.adding paperwork at will to win court cases.
5.failing to fill abide by their own terms of business as laid out in their terms.
6 willfully making up a case as they go along in order to win



i am currently building a case against Ernest Wilson hoping to gain as much support as i possibly can ??
I am also contacting my local paper and the BBC to enquire if watchdog would be interested in my case

any help or support you could give me would be gratefully received

many thanks for reading this

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Bit more info I've just received - the time period for Ernest Wilson's 49 claims was June 2012 to November 2013.

49 claims in 16 months!!

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Yes, that is rather annoying, I just wondered if you'd FOI'd registry trust to get the list sorted on claimant, as that could be useful for other issues.

Being able to search by defendant but not claimant seems like quite an omission really, with the benefit of hindsight there are times when it'd be handy to find out whether the company you're thinking of dealing with is likely to sue you!

Good to know Salford will respond to an FOI on claims bought. Presumably it's the same with Northampton bulk centre (or has the history been moved to Salford too now?). Can think of a couple firms I'd like to find out just how many claims they bought in the last few years.

The court docs are headed Northampton County Court but the address is Salford CCMCC, if that helps. Never been a defendant before so this is all new to me...

[Amethyst]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Yes, that is rather annoying, I just wondered if you'd FOI'd registry trust to get the list sorted on claimant, as that could be useful for other issues.

Good to know Salford will respond to an FOI on claims bought. Presumably it's the same with Northampton bulk centre (or has the history been moved to Salford too now?). Can think of a couple firms I'd like to find out just how many claims they bought in the last few years.

Thank you.

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Does it show cases bought, or just CCJ's ?

Who did you FOI ?

The FOI request was to the County Court Money Claims Centre in Salford, which handles small claims. The only information they supplied in response to my original enquiry was the number of claims - I've asked them for more details (eg dates etc.).

Registry Trust will show CCJ's (ie cases where they either won in court or the defendant admitted and offered installment payments)

Thanks for that, I wasn't aware of Registry Trust. The CCJ Register doesn't contain details of the claimant though, unfortunately.

[Amethyst]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Does it show cases bought, or just CCJ's ?

Who did you FOI ?

Registry Trust will show CCJ's (ie cases where they either won in court or the defendant admitted and offered installment payments)