Ernest Wilson

[Midlands bloke]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Hi ew client. I tried a search on line but was unsuccessful in finding any type of ad tbf. Have you tried contacting cebta as advised by my self in an earlier post ?

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Ernest Wilson's newspaper ads were mentioned earlier - I've tried to find an example in the local papers with the largest circulations in this area (Yorkshire Evening Post, Telegraph & Argus etc.) but with no luck so far - has anyone actually seen one of their newspaper ads?

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Powys Council is now responsible for regulating estate agents - http://www.powys.gov.uk/en/licensing...ncy-standards/ - and they can be emailed with any complaints or concerns at estate.agency@powys.gov.uk.

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

I was having a chat with a financial advisor the other day and happened to mention the issues with Ernest Wilson. Unprompted, he asked me "oh, did they say they had a buyer but they were really just after the marketing fees?"

Their reputation precedes them, it seems...

[Amethyst]

Re: Ernest Wilson

The law treats him in the same way it would deal with the chief executive of a PLC with its own team of in-house lawyers.

and that is something needs to change. We've argued that before.

I think there is moves in that area with the Consumer Rights Bill - it's certainly been discussed a fair bit.

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Turner Butler, another business transfer agent, has been heavily criticised by a judge for its trading practices: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...aw-can-5019293

This gaping loophole can leave a firm that’s already hard-up facing a huge bill for a moment’s poor judgment, as two businessmen here have discovered...The judge could hardly have been more scathing about the contract that Marc Oratis was hoodwinked into signing.
Yet at the time Mr Oratis thought he had nothing to lose when he put his struggling firm on the market.
After all, business transfer agents Turner Butler advertised their services with the promise “Guarantee No. 1 – No sale no fee”.
Turner Butler valued his winter sports business Edge2Edge at £245,000 but a year later no buyer had been found and it was put into liquidation.
At this point, Turner Butler claimed the small print in the contract meant that Mr Oratis owed them £12,000.
Mr Oratis refused to pay and was sued in Chichester County Court, West Sussex.
Shaun Sweeney was the Turner Butler managing director at the time and he told the court that Mr Oratis had signed the contract to say he understood the conditions.
“It was a two- page, simple document,” he maintained. Mr Oratis, 54, retorted that the contract was “confusing and *ambiguous”.
Deputy district judge Christopher Cagney agreed, highlighting one clause of “over 300 words set out on 25 closely typed lines without any punctuation”.
He went on: “The very small print can certainly constitute a trap for the unwary.”
There was, on one hand, the clear promise of “no sale – no fee” while on the other the contract detailed “many instances where commission would be payable even if there had been no sale in the ordinary course of the meaning of that word”.
The judge declared that if Turner Butler had been dealing with a consumer then he would have ruled that it was not acting in good faith.
And here’s the crux.
The regulations that protect consumers from unfair contracts were of no use to Mr Oratis because the law does not consider him to be a consumer.
The law treats him in the same way it would deal with the chief executive of a PLC with its own team of in-house lawyers.
It’s a ludicrous position because, while Mr Oratis is an expert on ski equipment, when it comes to business sales contracts, he’s hardly any more expert than the consumers in his shop. Perhaps inadvertently, the barrister for Turner Butler, Nichola Rushton, hit the nail on the head when she said: “This was a business contract, my clients were under no *obligation to advise him on the terms of the contract.”
In law she might be right but morally this stinks.
The Turner Butler sales rep who persuaded Mr Oratis to sign that contract had presented him with a huge over-valuation of his *business.
The judge called the sales rep “evasive” and made it plain that the contract itself was unfair and unclear.
But none of these factors helped Mr Oratis defend himself against being sued because he’s not a consumer.
As it happens, he did win the case and Turner Butler has been ordered to pay him costs of more than £1,000.
But he won only because his business collapsed and its assets were sold by the liquidator.
Because of this the judge ruled that Mr Oratis was not liable for the penalty clauses in the contract.
Had the business not been liquidated, he would have been landed with that £12,000 bill.
“I am delighted,” Mr Oratis said after the case.
“They did not sell my business, so why should they receive a fee?
“I was relying on the ‘no sale, no fee’ advert and their integrity as a business transfer agent to explain their terms.”
But, as he found out, Turner Butler had no obligation to explain anything because he’s not a consumer.
That cannot be right.

[lincoln lady]

Re: Ernest Wilson

did you get anywhere with the police we have these people on our back ??

[lincoln lady]

Re: Ernest Wilson Debt

hi mad spaniel, we've been chased and harrassed by these people( ernest wilson) who said they would sell our shop but were never given a copy of anything, after 6 mths with no interest we wrote to them said we were taking it from them and then we sold it at auction, they now are saying they will take us to court for nearly £5k in fees and commission they said we agreed to pay them , can you offer any advice or help please

[Midlands bloke]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Iv got in touch with http://www.cebta.org.uk who might be able to help. I would suggest those in a similar conundrum do likewise to get help and advice.

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Also, the best form of defence is attack, the next step is to contact the local police fraud squad and report the activities.

MalcolmD, what was the response from the police on this?

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

I forgot to mention with the interim summary of charges they sent (as requested by myself) it gives dates and names of the newspapers where the adverts were placed. I'm thinking of ordering back copies if possible to check if actually true.

Ernest Wilson's ads tend to be 3-4 lines per business, usually without a pic and often among a page of many other ads (over 100 in some newspapers). It's very doubtful they cost Ernest Wilson anywhere near the £50 per ad they charge. Likewise their catalogue entries, £40 for a few lines of text: http://www.ernest-wilson.co.uk/uploads/E-catalogue.pdf

Another interesting claim from Ernest Wilson's literature is: "Many properties and businesses never reach our website or catalogue as they are purchased by waiting clients."

[Midlands bloke]

Re: Ernest Wilson

I forgot to mention with the interim summary of charges they sent (as requested by myself) it gives dates and names of the newspapers where the adverts were placed. I'm thinking of ordering back copies if possible to check if actually true.

[Amethyst]

Re: Ernest Wilson

The EU law is here is more clear. 14 days.The home office will back that There are some MP's standing up for this case. There is 100% proof now that EW are fraudulent.

Obviously we'll need you to point us to the evidence to back up that assertion. xx

[Amethyst]

Re: Ernest Wilson

just turning it up the right way xx

[Midlands bloke]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Here's a picture of the cancelation info/terms