You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I'm on a different wavelength to you guys.

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I'm on a different wavelength to you guys.

Different planet i think

[labman]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I am struggling with what I'm reading here, though I confess to not having read anything like the whole thread.

However, for anyone in any doubt, Penalty Charge Notices are legally issued fines and should be paid. I'm afraid that one person getting away with failing to pay them might land a lot of other posters in trouble thinking they can do the same.

It is totally irresponsible in my opinion to allow something which could result in many other posters falling foul of the authorities and the law to be posted so openly.

Legislation is there for a reason - some we agree with, others we don't. We cannot pick and choose which parts we concur with and which we feel we can ignore without facing the penalty for ignoring them. If you believe you have found a hole in the system, feel free to exploit it, but please don't encourage other members on here to do the same. I guarantee most will have their lives made a total misery if they ignore PCN's.

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The only ones you could ignore are Parking Charge Notices which are a an attempt to pervert of the Law of Contract, using unlawful civil penalties and intimodation by the likes of Parking Eye, where all they can ask for is consequential loss if they go to court and usually fail when it is found their £80 PCN is an unlawful civil penalty with all the compulsion of an invoice.

[suffering]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

i must admit the parking fines issue is interesting and is just fun and games which i must admit i am on the side of if you can get away with it i will but the the money debt banking and government bits are very interesting is there any good threads on these subjects

[MIKE770]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

If the counil issue you a Penalty charge = pay

If a private parking charge notice then you have a case not to pay, has been stated so many times in papers/threads?

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

i must admit the parking fines issue is interesting and is just fun and games which i must admit i am on the side of if you can get away with it i will but the the money debt banking and government bits are very interesting is there any good threads on these subjects

In respect of the forum and the basis that the purpose of the forum is to help with 'legal' remedy, maybe continuing discussing potential 'freeman/common-law' is not in keeping. But if you are interested in the debt and banking side search on youtube for White Rabbit trust. It's a guy called Simon, used to be a banker for bearings I think, his videos are pretty eye opening.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

please give us a link then

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

http://www.youtube.com/user/WhiteRabbitTrust

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

This is not just me, but most of the forum members, we are all saying the same thing

YOU CANNOT "OPT OUT" "CONTRACT OUT" OF STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS

Let us ignore all these internet links and get back to reality,

Please back up your assumptions using established statutory or case law

Not any individuals misguided subjective interpretation of legislation

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

This is not just me, but most of the forum members, we are all saying the same thing

YOU CANNOT "OPT OUT" "CONTRACT OUT" OF STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS

Let us ignore all these internet links and get back to reality,

Please back up your assumptions using established statutory or case law

Not any individuals misguided subjective interpretation of legislation

We can go around and around in circles here, you have your opinion and I have mine, I am prepared to be proven wrong and my job of proving myself right is going to be a lot harder than your job of proving me wrong.

If you consent to be governed by Statutes then you are right, if you don't consent I am right, the rule of law is given by consent.

I'm not a lawyer but I am troubled by the world we live in and there has never been any harm in questioning authority (unless you were a Jew in Nazi Occupied Poland.)

I urge anyone that is interested to do their own research and make their own minds up.

We are not going to be given the answers on a plate I'm afraid.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Please, please

Tell me how you can just "opt out" of government statutes (law)

I am soon to qualify with a law degree, so i feel qualified to make reasoning's on how the law works in England

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I think we would all like to "opt out" of various inconvenient things in life.

Unfortunately if you are going 80 MPH in a 30 zone and you get stopped, opting out of the law may not be an op-tion.

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Please, please

Tell me how you can just "opt out" of government statutes (law)

I am soon to qualify with a law degree, so i feel qualified to make reasoning's on how the law works in England

Article 61 of the Magna Carta enables people to 'opt out' of being governed if we feel we are being governed unjustly, very simply give 40 days notice to the queen and if it is not remedied you can enter what is called Lawful rebellion.

Being 'nearly' qualified with a law degree I would have assumed you have read this?

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Last comment

The only part of Magna Carta that still has lawful authority is Habeas Corpus WITH

39. No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

40. To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice. (HABEAS CORPUS)


YOU WILL HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN 1215, OR EVEN 1689