You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Personally I disagree. It's a valid discussion to have in relation to whether or not the guy has a valid argument over parking fines which are given by the local council. I don't think Graham has come here to cause trouble but as I said, personally, I would ask the question on the pepipoo site because they are the experts on parking fines: http://forums.pepipoo.com/

They would have a take on this but I think his first post on there needs to simply ask the question whether this approach is really legal without the other stuff.

They'll rip him apart

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Really???

I don't know why it is such a surprise to you, it is what we have been trying to tell you for the last 100 posts

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Really???

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

So what he's done is basically write waffling letters quoting bits of common law, bill of rights etc., whoever read the letters (perhaps not a lawyer) was bamboozled by it, couldn't tell whether it was correct or not and just sent another kind of pre-written letter, and he's gotten away with it because the lawyers have not had the time to deconstruct it and prove it wrong, and it's not been prioritised? Is that it?

My personal opinion is that he would have got the same result if he just refused to pay, and said nothing about the law. If they really wanted to pursue him for the debt they would have.

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

No, I did not ask the question on that other forum. I really came find here to find out if there's any truth to his claims that he has no right to pay for parking tickets.

Frankly I think he is a crackpot, I don't like his "the rules don't apply to me" attitude, I don't think he's very intelligent at all, he might have read some things but I really doubt he has a clue what he's on about. He's using it to behave like a pikey, even if he doesn't mean to be like this, to me that's what he's like. If you disagree with parking charges, don't use those spaces, no one is forcing you to park there. Parking there anyway and protesting against charges that are clearly stated (there's no deception) is just stupid. I don't care about the money he's costing the council, it's his principles that I find totally pathetic and misguided. He doesn't seem to be protesting against anything worthwhile, self-righteous people like him are just making a nuisance of themselves. Like those people who film police officers and refuse to switch their cameras off when asked and start spouting all this crap about their rights (which probably isn't too accurate) making complete fools of themselves. If I was filming anyone and they asked me not to, I would do so out of common courtesy. They aren't achieving anything, they're just wasting the time of policemen who supposed to be fighting crime and preserving law and order. I think anyone who truly thinks we live in a corrupt country or a police state is soft in the head and full of crap.

This bloke is classic example of "a little knowledge is dangerous thing". If he has a law degree, or any proper degree, I'll eat my hat. He's a simpleton.

I wish I'd had a video running on my last encounter with the police

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

So what he's done is basically write waffling letters quoting bits of common law, bill of rights etc., whoever read the letters (perhaps not a lawyer) was bamboozled by it, couldn't tell whether it was correct or not and just sent more pre-written letters, and he's gotten away with it because the lawyers have not had the time to deconstruct it and prove it wrong, and it's not been prioritised? Is that it?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Are you saying a council can do whatever it wants, as long as people believe it's legal?

No I am saying that you can challenge any agreement you like on any pretense, if the other side does not contest the argument, you win by default.
It does not mean that your argument is correct.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Are you saying a council can do whatever it wants, as long as people believe it's legal?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The thing about ciil litigation is that you can make any action you like, no matter how ridiculous, if the other side doesn't contest you win by default.

It doesn't mean that the action taken is correct in law.

[MissFM]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot

Well GT the legal definition is always that little bit special and different lol

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

And who was that? (was this a big news story?)

Nope multiple lenders and ultimately after 6 years of not being in the country the debts are legally unenforceable

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

And who was that? (was this a big news story?)

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

To be honest I was almost worried for him because he seemed a bit dim and was playing with fire. But I was astonished by some of the things he was claiming, like getting out of paying £3100 interest on an £8000 bank loan (from a proper high street bank) I don't know how they just decided to leave him alone, and did he really expect not to have to pay interest? I suppose I don't know the details there anyway.

I have heard of a lot higher amount from someone who screwed the banks for a lot more and effectively never paid a penny back so the bank story is not particularly that interesting

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

sorry to be pedantic - it might mean that to some - or have come to mean that - but "moot" actually means "open to discussion (or argument)" derived from "moot house" etc - just saying...

Legal dictionary http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/moot

An issue presenting no real controversy. Moot refers to a subject for academic
argument. It is an abstract question that does not arise from existing facts or rights

[MissFM]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Moot is a perfectly good English word, means not important, of little or no practical value , irrelevant, that sort of thing

sorry to be pedantic - it might mean that to some - or have come to mean that - but "moot" actually means "open to discussion (or argument)" derived from "moot house" etc - just saying...