You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

As to being evasive about who on here is qualified in the legal profession.

Actually when I wrote "why you can't you lot give a straight answer to a straightfoward question??" I didn't mean the question of whether you are lawyers, I was more referring to the kind of responses here in general. I just wrote "Are you lawyers?" straight after, maybe this was confusing.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

If i stream video through an internet connection as in my Raspberry Pi connected via HDMI to my large HD flatscreen tv that ONLY has an analogue tuner, and the signal is now digital, no Freeview or Sky box no aerial cable either I don't need a licence, now here is where the Crapita muppets at TVL trip themselves up, they say you need a TV licence to view on a smartphone, but if it isn't plugged into a charger and is working off it's own batteries arguably you don't.

Fine, but it's still not free TV because you pay for the internet connection. Unless you're secretly using a neighbour's wifi.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Hope that clears the matter up for you.

Well, not really. I notice you still decline to say whether you have any legal training. I don't have to know but if you said yes it would make me take your answers more seriously (as long as you weren't lying which I should hope you aren't) Why would someone who was qualified say they weren't? What's the point of that?

Anyway, this was the exchange between us on this subject (the order of comments may seem confusing, because he kept blocking and unblocking me and some comments were lost):

Him: (this follows on from some previous discussion) I have no contractual obligation to abide by the rules in that legislation as it was not mentioned when I signed for my driving licence.
If I was working for a company delivering goods wot not, engaged in commerce, I would have to abide by that, as any registered business has to abide by the local authority rules. I am a flesh and blood man, and local aurthority have to use contracts to gain aurthority over man.
Man is number 2 in the pecking order next to god, or the universe what ever you want to call it. The state is number 3 in the pecking order as man created the state to serve.

Until you infringe on anyone else's rights, no one has any jurisdiction over you. Just look at the amazing success people are having with tv licensing, using the very same technique.

The crowd go wild

Me: Is it really worth it? Just to avoid paying a few quid? [this is more about the parking charge issue]

No TV licence, no BBC. If you really object to the TV licence, don't pay it, don't plug an aerial into your TV, don't watch programming that you haven't contributed to.

Him: Of course it's worth it, it's very fulfilling and exciting.

I will watch tv if I like, if they want to send me services I didn't ask for, that's up to them, but don't force me to pay for it, like hello?
They could at least encrypt there programme's like sky do, but no, they send the signal and then say I have to pay for it.

That puts me under duress.

Soooooooooo!!!,

Next

Me: Why don't they encrypt the signal? Probably because until recently it was analog, not digital.

Me: You make it sound like they're trying to deceive people, but everyone knows you are required to pay the licence fee if you watch TV.

Him: No no no, absolutely wrong. The licence fee is for live broadcasts from the bbc. Nothing to do with watching itv, or sky. Have you actually read the legislation? Prolly not, else you would know this.

And also, you said "required", which is not an order, it is a request, and by law, you don't have to obey a request.

Soooooooooo!

Next

(After this I sent brief replies trying to reiterate the difference between owning a television and actually watching television but they were lost)

Him: You don't need a licence to watch tv, the licence is for live broadcasts, let me repeat that..... LIVE BROADCASTS.


Him: You don't need a licence to watch DVDs

Like hello?

This is why I blocked you, because you say things without actually knowing if its true

Him: Yes it is, if I watch a DVD, I am watch it on a device called a television.

Sorry mate. You obviously haven't read the act

See ya

Me: But you are not ordered to watch TV. You choose to.

Him: Television (TV) is a telecommunication medium for transmitting and receiving moving images that can be monochrome (black-and-white) or colored, with or without accompanying sound. "Television" may also refer specifically to a television set, television programming, or television transmission

Me: That is what I meant by watching television. When you watch a DVD that's not "watching television"

I then replied saying watching a DVD was just using a television, not watching television, but then he blocked me again. I am not stupid, when I say you need to pay a licence fee to watch TV in Britain, I know this does not mean you need a licence just to posess a television and switch it on, only if you plug the aerial in and receive the channels. He seemed to fail to grasp this distinction I was making.

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Moot is a perfectly good English word, means not important, of little or no practical value , irrelevant, that sort of thing.

As to being evasive about who on here is qualified in the legal profession.

Some on here say they are, but aren't.

Some say they are not but are

Some say nothing, and sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.

Hope that clears the matter up for you.

LOL

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Yes, it makes sense! But according to him he flouts this rule and helps his mates do so as well.



In other words, it'll illegal to watch TV channels without paying? I've never quite understood the word moot, it feels like an Americanism. I'm sorry but this is such ********, why you can't you lot give a straight answer to a straightfoward question?? Are you lawyers?

Moot is a perfectly good English word, means not important, of little or no practical value , irrelevant, that sort of thing.

As to being evasive about who on here is qualified in the legal profession.

Some on here say they are, but aren't.

Some say they are not but are

Some say nothing, and sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.

Hope that clears the matter up for you.

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

If i stream video through an internet connection as in my Raspberry Pi connected via HDMI to my large HD flatscreen tv that ONLY has an analogue tuner, and the signal is now digital, no Freeview or Sky box no aerial cable either I don't need a licence, now here is where the Crapita muppets at TVL trip themselves up, they say you need a TV licence to view on a smartphone, but if it isn't plugged into a charger and is working off it's own batteries arguably you don't. The TVL goons went around a truck park and tried to trap a Polish driver into admitting he was watching without a licence, he had a portable satellite system tuned ONLY to Polish channels. Wonder how they got on?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-i...-needed-top12/

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.
You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Yes, it makes sense! But according to him he flouts this rule and helps his mates do so as well.

As far as the TV license is concerned there is legislation in place that makes it a criminal matter to not have one in certain circumstances so the issue is moot.

In other words, it'll illegal to watch TV channels without paying? I've never quite understood the word moot, it feels like an Americanism. I'm sorry but this is such ********, why you can't you lot give a straight answer to a straightfoward question?? Are you lawyers?

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

My point is that it is made completely clear that you must pay for a TV licence to receive a TV signal. I'm not talking about just buying a television and using it to watch DVDs or play computers games. That is fine. And it is not like the government is tricking anybody here, they state their fee, that's all you have to pay. It is your choice whether you plug an aerial into your TV and receive channels. If you do this without paying, you've got no right to complain when they come knocking on your door.

The licence is so that you can have the receiver and whether you have an aerial or not is I think possibly irrelevant if you do not have a digital receiver within the tv set to watch the programs. So the licence is to use that digital receiver. Does that make sense?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Is right to use something that clearly requires payment without paying? Is it right to watch to watch television without a TV licence? I tried to argue this with him earlier but he didn't seem to understand (or refused to) the difference between what I meant by watching television (receiving broadcasts) and watching a television (owning a TV set but just using it to watch DVDs) He replied the word television means television broadcasting and television sets, so they have no right to charge money just to watch television, whether it's watching DVDs or TV channels.

Depends what you mean by right, i don't think that it is right that Richard Branson is currently sat on his own island sipping tequila, and I am sat here talking to you.

As far as the TV license is concerned there is legislation in place that makes it a criminal matter to not have one in certain circumstances so the issue is moot.

In contractual ciil terms, right or wrong is generally assessed by damages caused to the aggrieved party.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

My point is that it is made completely clear that you must pay for a TV licence to receive a TV signal. I'm not talking about just buying a television and using it to watch DVDs or play computers games. That is fine. And it is not like the government is tricking anybody here, they state their fee, that's all you have to pay. It is your choice whether you plug an aerial into your TV and receive channels. If you do this without paying, you've got no right to complain when they come knocking on your door.

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

This is what he said to me in a PM:

"I will watch tv if I like, if they want to send me services I didn't ask for, that's up to them, but don't force me to pay for it, like hello?
They could at least encrypt there programme's like sky do, but no, they send the signal and then say I have to pay for it. That puts me under duress."


So no, somehow I don't think he does.

I assume then that your point was that they send the signal but they do not send the receiver for such material and that is thing that you buy, ie a receiver the same as you would do for Sky with a skybox or associated product. With analogue then technically he could argue that case but not with digital services since you effectively contract to watching it by buying a receiving device.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

This is what he said to me in a PM:

"I will watch tv if I like, if they want to send me services I didn't ask for, that's up to them, but don't force me to pay for it, like hello?
They could at least encrypt there programme's like sky do, but no, they send the signal and then say I have to pay for it. That puts me under duress."


So no, somehow I don't think he does.

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Is right to use something that clearly requires payment without paying? Is it right to watch to watch television without a TV licence? I tried to argue this with him earlier but he didn't seem to understand (or refused to) the difference between what I meant by watching television (receiving broadcasts) and watching a television (owning a TV set but just using it to watch DVDs) He replied the word television means television broadcasting and television sets, so they have no right to charge money just to watch television, whether it's watching DVDs or TV channels.

Technically he is half right and half wrong. You can watch catch up tv and/or DVD's and not have to pay the tv licence. One of my friends watches catch up tv and not "live" TV which requires a licence. You can set up a laptop to your television and be watching television but not necessitating a tv licence.
Has he taken on TV Licensing people as well or does he pay for a tv licence?

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Is right to use something that clearly requires payment without paying? Is it right to watch to watch television without a TV licence? I tried to argue this with him earlier but he didn't seem to understand (or refused to) the difference between what I meant by watching television (receiving broadcasts) and watching a television (owning a TV set but just using it to watch DVDs) He replied the word television means television broadcasting and television sets, so they have no right to charge money just to watch television, whether it's watching DVDs or TV channels.