You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Again, this really doesn't seem to be about cowboy private companies, it's about refusing to pay to use public car parks/parking spaces (clearly stated, ticket machines present) it's about some pathetic delusional numpty thinking the rules don't apply to him. He carries on like this, they'll get him someday. He can't outwit professional lawyers. Perhaps they just haven't bothered to set any on him.

By the way, are any of you lawyers or law graduates?

Doesn't really matter, it is still a contractual issue, I am not suggesting for one minute that someone should take on the council in a civil suit regarding the formation of the contract, but the arguments would be the same, as far as I can see.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Again, this really doesn't seem to be about cowboy private companies, it's about refusing to pay to use public car parks/parking spaces (clearly stated, ticket machines present) it's about some pathetic delusional numpty thinking the rules don't apply to him. He carries on like this, they'll get him someday. He can't outwit professional lawyers. Perhaps they just haven't bothered to set any on him.

By the way, are any of you lawyers or law graduates?

[gravytrain]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I watched the VT, and I have to say i found nothing overly objectionable. I didn't see him refer to FOL stuff although I suppose I may have missed it.
The FOL stuff I have read seems to depend on old law that has passed out of usage through desuetude, and is no longer relevant.

As far as I can make out his arguments are based around the formation of contract, which is perfectly arguable, I think that if the authorities were to pursue they would prevail but possibly they think it is more trouble than it is worth.

There is a parallel between the flimsy contractual rights which are relied on by private parking companies and those which we abide by and are applied by our borough councils. How much of one is arguable.

[Celestine]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The Law is a fluid creature in perpetual development. It is not fixed or final, there is constantly new legislation being developed, honed and refined.

Though this chap may be unpleasant in your eyes, he is also exposing potential flaws in the system by his actions.

I wouldn't criticise anyone for 'testing the boundaries', that's how this whole forum got started with us 'testing the boundaries' of bank charges, PPI miss selling, credit card charges etc etc. Are we crackpots for trying to develop and test the Law in this way?

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I'm not sure, I've tried but I just can't sit through the whole of one of his 10-30 minute videos of him talking feeble-minded drivel in that moronic accent of his.

But as I said, he seems to believe he shouldn't pay for parking on public property, which includes council-run parking spaces. So it sounds like he doesn't. He also doesn't believe in TV licences and he and his online chums share techniques to avoid paying.

[leclerc]

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I've asked the question twice now, is the number of tickets he has faced 7 over 5 years?

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

When I asked him, he did not deny that he refused to pay parking charges (putting money in machines) on "public property" (meaning parking spaces in streets and council-run car parks. He basically said it's public property therefore he belongs to him (as well as everyone else) and the state only owns it in trust to serve the public, so he should not have to pay to park on his own land.

A couple of times recently, I parked in kerbside spaces in town without paying because I was only dropping something off for 2 minutes. I felt that I could get away with it, I know the risk I was taking and if I got fined, I would not kick up a massive fuss about it.

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I think if he really believes in what he's on about, he should try and live self-sufficiently away from civilisation, not living in the middle of a town trying to avoid paying for things and being an obstinate non-conformist.

But realistically did the video's say 7 parking tickets in 5 years? That's not a high rate of parking where he should not have parked.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I think if he really believes in what he's on about, he should try and live self-sufficiently away from civilisation, not living in the middle of a town trying to avoid paying for things and being an obstinate non-conformist.

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I'm not saying corruption never happens in Britain but it is far from a thoroughly corrupt place.



I was only worried about him for a moment because I thought he was an ignorant, thick person who getting himself into big trouble. But now I don't really care about the money lost through his flouting of parking charges and TV licence fees, but I don't have any respect for him. Anyone who uses terms like New World Order is always a crackpot.

New World Order? Oh god, not that. That is the worst thing I've heard but being a fan so to speak of fixed US Wrestling, I remember Hulk Hogan coming onto WCW Wrestling using the name "New World Order". They were the baddies. Apologies for the way off topic post but could not resist when I hear NWO yet again....

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Hillsborough? Birmingham bombings in the 1970's? Some would add, I don't, tax breaks for the rich and tax breaks for companies who pay little or no tax in this country.(in relation to a corrupt country)

I'm not saying corruption never happens in Britain but it is far from a thoroughly corrupt place.

Personally, I would not be too worried.

I was only worried about him for a moment because I thought he was an ignorant, thick person who getting himself into big trouble. But now I don't really care about the money lost through his flouting of parking charges and TV licence fees, but I don't have any respect for him. Anyone who uses terms like New World Order is always a crackpot.

[leclerc]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

No, I did ask the question on that other forum. I came find here to find out if there's any truth to his claims that he has no right to pay for parking tickets.

Frankly I think he is a crackpot, I don't like his "the rules don't apply to me" attitude, I don't think he's very intelligent, he might have read some things but I really doubt he has a clue what he's on about. He's using it to behave like a pikey, even if he doesn't mean to be like this, to me that's what he's like. If you disagree with parking charges, don't use those spaces, no one is forcing you to park there. Parking there anyway and protesting against charges that are clearly stated (there's no deception) is just stupid. I don't care about the money he's costing the council, it's his principles that I found totally pathetic and misguided. He doesn't seem to be protesting against anything worthwhile, self-righteous people like him are just making a nuisance of themselves. Like those people who film police officers and refuse to switch their cameras off when asked and start spouting all this crap about their rights (which probably isn't completely accurate) making complete fools of themselves. If I was filming anyone and they asked me not to, I would do so out of common courtesy. They aren't achieving anything, they're just wasting the time of people who supposed to be fighting crime and preserving law and order. I think anyone who truly thinks we live in a corrupt country or a police state is soft in the head and full of crap.

This bloke is classic example of "a little knowledge is dangerous thing". If he has a law degree, or any proper degree, I'll eat my hat. He's a simpleton.

Hillsborough? Birmingham bombings in the 1970's? Some would add, I don't, tax breaks for the rich and tax breaks for companies who pay little or no tax in this country.(in relation to a corrupt country)

On the opposite side, there has been a lot worse than what the guy has said. For example, the UK is a limited company......the reality is that somebody set up a company in 2008(I would venture shortly before these claims were made) and the company was struck off two years later but it means that fact checking is difficult.

Personally, I would not be too worried. He has an approach and it works and because the majority of people do not use the same approach then the legal departments cannot be bothered to chase him. Also, I think he said he has fought 6 tickets in 5 years so that is hardly a prolonged or is not a persistent offender(please correct that number btw).

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

No, I did not ask the question on that other forum. I really came find here to find out if there's any truth to his claims that he has no right to pay for parking tickets.

Frankly I think he is a crackpot, I don't like his "the rules don't apply to me" attitude, I don't think he's very intelligent at all, he might have read some things but I really doubt he has a clue what he's on about. He's using it to behave like a pikey, even if he doesn't mean to be like this, to me that's what he's like. If you disagree with parking charges, don't use those spaces, no one is forcing you to park there. Parking there anyway and protesting against charges that are clearly stated (there's no deception) is just stupid. I don't care about the money he's costing the council, it's his principles that I find totally pathetic and misguided. He doesn't seem to be protesting against anything worthwhile, self-righteous people like him are just making a nuisance of themselves. Like those people who film police officers and refuse to switch their cameras off when asked and start spouting all this crap about their rights (which probably isn't too accurate) making complete fools of themselves. If I was filming anyone and they asked me not to, I would do so out of common courtesy. They aren't achieving anything, they're just wasting the time of policemen who supposed to be fighting crime and preserving law and order. I think anyone who truly thinks we live in a corrupt country or a police state is soft in the head and full of crap.

This bloke is classic example of "a little knowledge is dangerous thing". If he has a law degree, or any proper degree, I'll eat my hat. He's a simpleton.

[leclerc]

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I personally don't see how something written up centuries ago can really be that relevant to today's world. It seems absurd that some of these really old laws still hold any water now. They come from a time when among other things women weren't allowed to vote and at sea captains could hang sailors at will for committing certain crimes. Like I think it's ridiculous that the US Constitution's 2nd Ammendment hasn't been done away with, I think gun-loving Americans just want it as an excuse to cling onto their guns.

Realistically, and I ask the same question that Celestine has posed, what is the reason that you personally have against the person on youtube? Why do you want us to label him a "nutter" "crackpot" when clearly his method is not one most of us would take, his approach is not one most of us would take yet he continues to be successful in that approch?

Can I ask whether you have asked the same question on Pepipoo(spelling might be questonable) which is a specifically parking fine related forum? If you have can I ask for the link to that post(more for interest purposes than anything else)?

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I personally don't see how something written up centuries ago can really be that relevant to today's world. Because it allows the concept of precedent and caselaw to develop, caselaw and interpretation and Common Law are what underpin our legal system, if you remove common law you run the danger of removing common sense It seems absurd that some of these really old laws still hold any water now. They come from a time when among other things women weren't allowed to vote and at sea captains could hang sailors at will for committing certain crimes. Like I think it's ridiculous that the US Constitution's 2nd Ammendment hasn't been done away with, I think gun-loving Americans just want it as an excuse to cling onto their guns.

The alternative is Corpus Juris, the European model to which our politicos are moving towards, where things are unlawful and only permitted if the right is Expressly granted under legislation; rather than Habeus Corpus that stems from Magna Carta, and the Bill Of Rights of 1688 where nothing is unlawful or prohibited unless expressly prohibited in law Statute or Common and caselaw.

I know which system I prefer, as otherwise after a minor incident you would be carted off to jail whilst inquiries are made as happens in many EU countries under Corpus Juris, where the presumption is guilt, and you prove your innocence. This is a simplistic missive however.