That referendum ...

[Openlaw15]

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I cannot see it working without some group calling foul. No matter how bad things get you will still have a hard core that will scream blue murder if it is not pushed through and after all it was a fair and legal referendum. Anyone who admits to being misled by their policies is really admitting to being a bit ….well….
There are a lot of people out there who want the shutters to come down NOW and a lot of fervour. There is also a lot of anger and once the economic consequences bite things could get very unpleasant and we could lose a few plate glass windows. Some of the Brexit supporters have quite extreme views and are already complaining about waiting 2years for the final clank. Even years after we leave the hard core will say all our issues are still down to a hangover from our EU days!

The Treaty of Lisbon states 2 years or more. The news reports that the UK has to sort its other trade plans with the EU within two years, ie when the music stops it's all over. The Treaty of Lisbon does not say this. The UK news is just not helpful - they're just a sounding board and perpetuates fear, which affects the economy.

[Openlaw15]

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funny thing is, those who voted out have voted to remove the protections that consumers HAD. The legal arguments on Unfair terms fall away now, whereas it was open to challenge the UKSC decision based on ECJ jurisprudence, that has now gone, so your bankcharges cases? Suck it up buttercup cos you aint getting them back now.

Your unfair terms arguments that fall within the OFT v Abbey decision, theyve gone, your challenge to the fairness of the terms of the contract whcih fall within Bevis, all dead.

A DJ yesterday has already thrown out a case which relied on ECJ jurisprudence.

Just rejoice at that news.

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Dont talk wet!!

key terms: 1) Free Trade Agreements (ie USA type with Canada and Mexico, called NAFTA), ie no import and export tariffs, no quotas etc. 2) Common Market Agreements, ie Free Trade & external trade for other countries (external trade). 3) Full Economic Union - ie all 28 countries sharing FTA, CMA, law, politics all in one. The EU is defined a Fully incorporated Economic Union.

So, in this apparent 2 year count down the UK could remove the Full Economic Union and replace it with a Free Trade Agreement or a Common Market Agreement. In options 1) and 2) above, we'll have the trade we need with the EU countries and the other 150 plus countries outside the EU, without being subject to any law and politics that Brussels unleashes on the UK at its whim. For instance, the Treaty of Lisbon's EU army.

No, the modern constitution of the country will adopt the new consumer law otherwise it will go against the rule of law. Let's not forget the UK's legal system has been EU integrated since the European Communities Act 1972. In any event, for a trade with the EU - an alternative trade agreement with the EU than the 28 country type - the new frame-work, according to the Treaty of Lisbon, will likely be to retain existing EU friendly laws. The EU in any event will only permit countries to join it if they have equitable systems in place. The EU's pillar is 'no discrimination - ie no effect of discrimination; no measure of an equivalent effect. So if the UK is to re-negotiate the free trade terms for a common market agreement it's likely it'll only do so if the current protections for consumers etc are preserved.

[wales01man]

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PT have I been rude to you?
Do we rerun the next election in your area cos you don't like the winner? An answer Yes or No not an insult please

[Fred]

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We lose some of our consumer protections.................................

Our economy rating has been downgraded.

It makes my employer nervous & there are more barriers to future investment (providing they stay in the UK)

Immigration stays the same.

My fuel bills will most likely go up..............just when i'm struggling to take any more hits.

What about the EU mortgage credit directive & shopping all over the EU for the best deals........what about simplification & standardisation across the countries.

Am struggling to find anything good comes from this. Now there is a challenge for somebody ?

Oh, forgot freedom of movement ?

[leclerc]

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[wales01man]

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Petrol prices have been rising in the past weeks before this result who do we blame for that ?

[Amethyst]

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Appointed is a rather different concept to elected. A head of state being elected by the UK's electorate to have say in how the UK should be run legally is substantively different than the EU bureaucrats appointing someone from the UK's elected government to have a say in how the EU law is run. Isn't that a massive conflict of interest anyway, democratically speaking? It is simply removing the power of the UK citizens away from the public into the hands/ power of the political elite. In short, it's the EU political elite appointing the UK's political elite, with the UK citizens just having to accept it.

No it isn't, at all.

We elect our MEPs

We elect the PM ( well, unless there's a leadership change in which case our elected MP's select one) - still elected if not directly

The Ministers are elected MP's

Thus it is only people who have been elected by us that go forward to represent us in the EU. ??

Who are the unelected bureaucrats that people speak of quite a lot? the people elected by other countries ? ( I'm not being facetious btw I am trying to understand)

[Amethyst]

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Petrol prices have been rising in the past weeks before this result who do we blame for that ?

The global markets and price of oil ?

[Fred]

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The global markets and price of oil ?

Which means it goes up here even more when the pound drops in value against the Dollar, mainly dropping because of the uncertainties surrounding our decision to leave the worlds biggest & most powerful single market..

[wales01man]

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Ame That will still control the Oil price not the EU with or without us.

Never in my life have I read so many posts on the web on many sites where those who don't like an election result have insulted those who won LB is actually one of the best for not having those remarks
Thanks to Admin and those who are on here

[Amethyst]

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Yes I think the decision is stupid but that doesn't make those who believed that was the right decision stupid. The whole referendum battle was appalling and I am not bloody suprised people had no idea which way to turn or what leaving ( or staying ) would actually mean in reality.

On your petrol price thing, has anyone said that petrol prices will rice because of leaving the EU ? I can imagine it would do for a little bit while the markets are in turmoil ref the price of oil, and the currency rates of course, but I don't know how being in / or out of the EU affects our import duty / vat / knock on effects of running petrol stations etc etc ( which are the bigger costs within our petrol price)

[Amethyst]

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Am struggling to find anything good comes from this. Now there is a challenge for somebody ?

I haven't seen or heard anything I believe to be a good thing about leaving the EU as yet, I am looking and trying to see the positives.

I've lost any trust in the politicians to put self interest aside and actually failing British people in not helping them to make an actual informed decision, in the campaign or before - in being the sort of country where such a large number of people feel so disenfranchised they felt the EU ref was the only chance they had to have a say. So maybe that is a good thing, the politicians now know they MUST take notice of the people outside of London. They failed us in this. Terribly.

The worst thing is (in my opinion) people seem to be actually talking seriously about Johnson and Gove being in charge of the country now.

1,252,827 signatures on that petition now ffs. I think people do know that it's an impossibility what is being asked for in it can ever happen, but it shows the strength of feeling - that's about 4% of the people that voted.

[nemesis45]

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I suspect (believe) that the employment protections and others will be fully enacted in to UK law.
The removal of laws /rules/ deriving from the EU that affect control of our border and immigration and the much eroded supremacy of our laws and courts will be restored an can then be independent of the EU judges.

Ten years ago I had a posting to Brussels ( NATO) the smell of corruption, expenses fiddling was rife even then, travelling on " warrants " provided by UK, we were actively encouraged to claim business class air fares no receipt required.

nem

[Fred]

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I haven't seen or heard anything I believe to be a good thing about leaving the EU as yet, I am looking and trying to see the positives.

Ditto...............

I've lost any trust in the politicians to put self interest aside and actually failing British people in not helping them to make an actual informed decision, in the campaign or before - in being the sort of country where such a large number of people feel so disenfranchised they felt the EU ref was the only chance they had to have a say. So maybe that is a good thing, the politicians now know they MUST take notice of the people outside of London. They failed us in this. Terribly.

They did, you are right but...................biting your nose to spite the face

The worst thing is (in my opinion) people seem to be actually talking seriously about Johnson and Gove being in charge of the country now.

The real scary bit for me, they did this on purpose, I struggle to see what other motivation they may of had.

1,252,827 signatures on that petition now ffs. I think people do know that it's an impossibility what is being asked for in it can ever happen, but it shows the strength of feeling - that's about 4% of the people that voted.

Have not seen this yet but, expect much more uproar over this lot, in the true tradition of Beagles will keep my feelings to myself, am sure you can guess.

Sorry, not edited this correct, not sure what I did wrong ?

[Amethyst]

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Petrol prices actually seem quite similar across Europe - www.fuel-prices-europe.info/chart-europe.php we are one of the highest tho - presumably due to duty/taxes etc.

Cheap in Algeria lol.