Ding Dong the Witch is Dead

[jon1965]

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Well if I was looking for another reason.....(BTW my OH is from Barnsley)

I always thought Hyde was Cheshire although i don't think the politics of boundary changes has ever been resolved

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You cant flatten yorkshire!!! my house is there!!!!

Flatten Hyde!!

thats in manchester. and if the world had plies, thats where they would store them!!

[jon1965]

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I did only mean the cricket ground but now you mention it why not flatten the whole county

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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OI my sister lives in Hedingley!!

then again the cricket team aint much cop.. and the footer is is even worse!!!

[jon1965]

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Got to keep the Cricket ground. Now if you want to build somewhere I know a place in Leeds that could be used. Headingley I think it's called. Bit of grass needs something useful done on it

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I ran pubs for years, for my sins I had an Irish pub in the East End, fantastic nights were had but they got the proper hump when I stopped the hat being passed round, I suppose it was Karma that I was involved in the Docklands jobby years later :grin:

Oh and .....

In Manchester, the bomb wrecked the appalling Arndale Centre.

Shame it wasn't Old Trafford says me an ardent Chelsea fan, now is that bang out of order ? msl:

As long as you mean when no one was there and no one could get hurt.. and not the cricket ground or Mr R will divorce me

[leclerc]

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I'm starting to find this thread offensive as a Man Utd fan(which means never been to Old Trafford or seen them live ).

[jon1965]

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Oh memories of the Arndale centre and Kendals food hall (when they had two buildings)

They can blow up old trafford for all I care so long as they leave the important one there

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It was slightly surprising that Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams commented on the death of Lady T in such a respectful tone. I doubt that would have been the case 20 years ago.....

Why?

If she had not been so stubborn (and stupid) it seems doubtful that he would have been so successful.

Remember, it wasn't Thatcher but John Major-Balls who helped to start the "back channel" dialogue that eventually led to the Good Friday Agreement.

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I ran pubs for years, for my sins I had an Irish pub in the East End, fantastic nights were had but they got the proper hump when I stopped the hat being passed round, I suppose it was Karma that I was involved in the Docklands jobby years later :grin:

Oh and .....

In Manchester, the bomb wrecked the appalling Arndale Centre.

Shame it wasn't Old Trafford says me an ardent Chelsea fan, now is that bang out of order ? msl:

[leclerc]

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Narrowly missed its target, actually; two or three bombs would have done the job.

As a means to secure peace in Ulster, it failed completely.
It was as a means of a United Ireland because when they 6 states of Northern Ireland originally voted way back when the two middle states voted to be part of Southern Ireland but that did not happen.
The civil rights movement (from which "The Troubles" had arisen) had largely secured the rights of the populace. What remained was a lawless, sectarian and tribal squabble being fought by gunmen and terrorists on both sides. Even if the Brighton bomb had slaughtered Thatcher and her entire cabinet, one must surely doubt that events in Ulster would have taken a different course
I do not think that one bomb in Brighton helped the cause but perhaps the bombs in their entirety perhaps did help to bring about peace. When you keep bombing and bombing and bombing then eventually something has to give and the work of those who fought for peace and the very fact that there was a government in the north of Ireland has shown that peace rather than war is a better solution.
(And just how can someone claim to be a "loyalist" when he supports terror?)

To clarify, my gran was from County Galway so I kinda knew a little bit of the troubles. My gran worked as a nurse and there were times after the bombs went off when Irish nurses were spat at because of the effect that the Provo's bombs caused and that people assumed all Irish people supported that perspective. There was a time when I certainly could understand why they did what they did but Ireland is a better place without bombs and without violence, albeit it does flare up from time to time but thankfully the provo's and the so called "loyalists" remain at peace. It was slightly surprising that Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams commented on the death of Lady T in such a respectful tone. I doubt that would have been the case 20 years ago.....

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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your guess my dear is as good as mine.

All I can say about the IRA is, the Irish don't want em.

I am 2nd generation Irish Immigrant, (granddad, dad and 1st ever love all Irish) and I clearly remember my granddad telling me, the IRA stands for Idiot Related Atrocity!

I was in a pub in North London and a hat was passed round for the Cause, and myself and Aiden took great pleasure in throwing it the length of the pub, and leaving.

Let the dirt get their money from the dirt, where it belongs.

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Cloggy is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself but I did not read it at all that he was condoning the brighton bomb. He did say that as a bomb plot it was badly executed as it completely missed its target.

Narrowly missed its target, actually; two or three bombs would have done the job.

As a means to secure peace in Ulster, it failed completely. The civil rights movement (from which "The Troubles" had arisen) had largely secured the rights of the populace. What remained was a lawless, sectarian and tribal squabble being fought by gunmen and terrorists on both sides. Even if the Brighton bomb had slaughtered Thatcher and her entire cabinet, one must surely doubt that events in Ulster would have taken a different course.

(And just how can someone claim to be a "loyalist" when he supports terror?)

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I was, of all places, the front row of a Take That concert when that was announced.
I can clearly and vividly remember them sitting on the stage shell shocked, then one, Jason I believe, put his head in his hands had broke down, I mean he wept.

The idea of joking about the fact that a planned bombing "went wrong", well it gives me the shivers.

Its a little known fact that the emergency alarm at Paddington Station and the ones on the assisted crossings in Birmingham are the same, hence this (at the time) weary, tired and highly security concious 21 year old (at the time) hitting the deck and assuming the fetal position for fear of the "explosion" I was awaiting blowing my head off.. but that is another story.

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Bombs don't achieve anything positive

In Manchester, the bomb wrecked the appalling Arndale Centre.

The rebuilt version was much better.

However, it was not a "crime against property" but a deliberate attempt to kill and maim as many people as possible. The bomb had been timed to detonate when Manchester centre was at its busiest. The death toll could easily have been many times greater.