You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I personally don't see how something written up centuries ago can really be that relevant to today's world. It seems absurd that some of these really old laws still hold any water now. They come from a time when among other things women weren't allowed to vote and at sea captains could hang sailors at will for committing certain crimes. Like I think it's ridiculous that the US Constitution's 2nd Ammendment hasn't been done away with, I think gun-loving Americans just want it as an excuse to cling onto their guns.

[Somecamel]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

No, you can't be entitled to attempt something illegal, otherwise it would be legal!

I've done a bit of dabbling reading up on a lot of the FMOTL concepts and theories, the main point is the difference between Legal and Lawful, Common law and Admiralty Law (law of the sea), to be fair some of it is quite interesting stuff, however, I'll echo the other comments on here and the people doing this have to go into it with their eyes wide open. This is not an excuse to not pay for something because you've been caught. It's more of a lifestyle choice if you believe the Government is corrupt and want to withdraw your consent.

Annoys me a little on some of the sites how people call themselves Freemen and then start quoting acts of Parliament:P There are no acts of parliament in common law

[bluebottle]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

If a parking ticket has been issued by a local authority, they are backed by legislation and are enforceable. Mickey Mouse parking tickets issued by private parking tickets are not backed by legislation and are not enforceable.

[GO84]

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I just want to know, is he really right? Do we really have to right to refuse to pay parking charges? Or penalties? I know you are always allowed to appeal, but if it's a situation where you haven't got a leg to stand on, it's stupid isn't it?


I once got ticketed for parking in a disabled space. I didn't mean to, the markings on the ground weren't too clear, I tried appealing but they sent me back a photo of my car and slap bang next to it was a little disabled signpost that I hadn't noticed when I parked. So knowing I was in the wrong, I promptly paid the £25 (if I didn't within 2 weeks it would have risen to £50) I often think they go overboard with disabled parking spaces nowadays but I don't deliberately park in them.

[Celestine]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Why does this particular chap annoy you so much? There are loads of people out there with opinions that differ to mine, but I just read, smile to myself maybe and move on.

His actions will have no real bearing on others unless you allow for the fractional drop in revenue to a local council that his activities generate.

Having worked in local government for 5 years, I could tell you about all the dreadfully wasteful stuff the elected Members get up to which is of far greater significance and cost to the local electorate.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

No, you can't be entitled to attempt something illegal, otherwise it would be legal!

[Celestine]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Oh, so if I didn't believe I should pay tax, I would be perfectly entitled to try and avoid it?

Isn't it directly breaking the law to not pay for a parking ticket for an urban parking space? What about the act I linked to?

Yes you are entitled to TRY, but I am confident eventually the correct authorities would catch up with you.

If you read carefully, you'll note that I agree with you, just not your determination to 'talk him round'.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

He's as entitled to his approach as you are.

Oh, so if I didn't believe I should pay tax, I would be perfectly entitled to try and avoid it?

Isn't it directly breaking the law to not pay for a parking ticket (from a machine) for an urban parking space? What about the act I linked to?

Isn't this guy just being a complete crackpot?

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I'm with Celestine on this one we can advise, but it is up to an individual what course of action they take.

[Celestine]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

It would be chaos, that is true. I personally think it is unlikely that you could 'systematically' get away with repeatedly failing to pay PENALTY charge notices. But the occasional individual manages to get away with certain debts by being a persistent pain in the backside. It doesn't necessarily mean they are right, it just means that the local councils legal team are unable to dedicate the time required to handling such individuals.
Also, I'd rather pay the few quid than dedicate the next 6 months of my life to defending myself on Freeman grounds.....seems like a poor economic decision to me.

[GO84]

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It just sounds unbelievable. I could understand if he just meant those cowboy clamping firms, or a supermarket charging for overstaying like was said above, but he really seemed to think it meant any parking space on public property. If you really aren't obliged to pay to park anywhere, why doesn't everyone stop doing it? It would be chaos if people could park wherever the hell they liked.

[Celestine]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

But you don't need to 'talk him round' do you?

He's as entitled to his approach as you are.

It's unlikely to cause mass civil disobedience and is a risk/chance he is taking in full awareness of the risks.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Surely you cannot just park in a public car park with ticket machines and use some archaic law to avoid paying? Surely legislation has changed from that?That's what he seems to think. There were more comments between us but he's deleted them now. I didn't get abusive, it was only the first post I called him a fool, then I decided to try and talk him round without being too insulting.

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

If someone wishes to use FMOL or no contract it is up to them, it may even work. I wouldn't advocate FMOL as a general remedy, it is for the individual to research and go in with eyes wide open, and fully aware of the consequences if it goes pear shaped. If it works for someone, great, but it is not a mainstream remedy.

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

He's actually referred you to this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA

That talks about PRIVATE car parking companies, not the council. He seems to think it applies to every car park.