Marston bailiff clamped my car!!

[bluebottle]

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I have just set the ball rolling by sending a email to my local mp, the chief constable of Ipswich police and hmcts.

Hopefully I will hear something soon

Who at HMCTS did you email, Kim?

[bizzybob]

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"Part IV—Clamping of Motor Vehicles
Requirements with respect to the making of a clamping order13. Before a clamping order is made by the court under paragraph 39(3)(b), or by the fines officer under paragraph 40, of Schedule 5 the court or, as the case may be, the fines officer must be satisfied—
(a)that P has the means to pay the fine; and
(b)that the value of the vehicle or vehicles to be clamped, if sold, would be likely to exceed the amount of the fine, the amount of the likely charges due and the likely costs of sale."

That just about rules out clamping in the majority of cases. Marstons have serious questions to answer

[CleverClogs]

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Ipswich police

That explains everything!

[CleverClogs]

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Marstons have serious questions to answer

Especially as those regulations, if not subsequently amended, would require an Order for Sale to be granted before the vehicle could lawfully be sold.

This seems to suggest that, until and unless that Order is granted, title in the vehicle remains with the owner and has passed to neither the bailiff nor the Court.

[bluebottle]

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That explains everything!

How bad are they, CC?

[bizzybob]

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Especially as those regulations, if not subsequently amended, would require an Order for Sale to be granted before the vehicle could lawfully be sold.

This seems to suggest that, until and unless that Order is granted, title in the vehicle remains with the owner and has passed to neither the bailiff nor the Court.

Exactly, they have merely seized it in effect, then "persuaded" the police to get the keys for them.

[CleverClogs]

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How bad are they, CC?

Bad.

link

[bluebottle]

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Bad.

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I remember that case. Suffolk Police made numpties look intelligent with their handling of the case. Calling them muppets wouldn't be appropriate either because muppets have more intelligence. Kermit the Frog has more intelligence in his left flipper.

[ploddertom]

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Hello everyone thanks for your advice.

I have today been in touch with the courts and they have told me that apparently with a distress warrant there is a automatic clamping order. I have read on the Internet that the bailiff has to apply for one when they discover you have a car.
i also asked the court to see is the individual bailiff is registered but she said that the company is registered so he will be. She was very unhelpful anf from what I have read, what she says is not entirely true.

Originally the Bailiff will have been given a Warrant to Levy Distress on the defaulters goods. A Clamping Order as we now see is a different thing altogether, it therefore appears as if the person within the Court needs retraining. For those that have it - John Kruse's book "Law of Seizure of Goods" - turn to pages 169-172, it would be unfair to try & paraphrase it all and apologies to those that do not have it but it appears to say that clamping in the sense that we see here should not have gone ahead.

[bluebottle]

Re: Marston bailiff clamped my car!!

Originally the Bailiff will have been given a Warrant to Levy Distress on the defaulters goods. A Clamping Order as we now see is a different thing altogether, it therefore appears as if the person within the Court needs retraining. For those that have it - John Kruse's book "Law of Seizure of Goods" - turn to pages 169-172, it would be unfair to try & paraphrase it all and apologies to those that do not have it but it appears to say that clamping in the sense that we see here should not have gone ahead.

Looking at the contract and respective legislation, PT, the Clamping Order is an entirely separate matter from the Distress Warrant. In a nutshell, the Distress Warrant does not authorise a contracted bailiff to clamp a fine defaulter's vehicle. IMHO, both the bailiff and Suffolk Police have acted ultra vires, under both civil and criminal law.

Due to the circumstances of this case, certainly, recent developments, I am of the opinion this should be referred to HMCTS Enforcement Operations. Ironically, something similar happened in Bolton during 2012. The LB member's name was also Kim. Probably coincidence.

[ploddertom]

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If you look at the statistics you will indeed see that enforcement is broken down into different areas. Specifically Distress Warrants & Clamping Orders are listed separately. Would be good to see the waffle the Police will issue to counter this particularly as it seems to me it has gone past the stage of the "immediate Senior Officer". I wonder if Suffolk Police are aware of the guidelines supposedly issued based on those formulated by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.

[bizzybob]

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The Pack drill must now to examine the circumstances of any clamping when a beagle is clamped, for HMCS, Civil PCN, or Council Tax and question the bailiffs right to do so, not very good for Marstons, and that other overuser of the clamp Jacobs.

Hope Kim gets a positive response to complaints and her car keys back, PDQ, along with an apology from plod, and maybe more.

[ploddertom]

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Do we have the name of the Bailiff involved? If so do we know which Court has granted his Certificate & has that been checked to ensure it is both correct & current? Has the Warrant itself been viewed - if so is it an original or one of Marstons that they have cobbled together?

[bluebottle]

Re: Marston bailiff clamped my car!!

If you look at the statistics you will indeed see that enforcement is broken down into different areas. Specifically Distress Warrants & Clamping Orders are listed separately. Would be good to see the waffle the Police will issue to counter this particularly as it seems to me it has gone past the stage of the "immediate Senior Officer". I wonder if Suffolk Police are aware of the guidelines supposedly issued based on those formulated by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.

The guidelines issued by Devon & Cornwall Police are as per Home Office guidelines on police officers dealing with bailiffs. Copying the Home Secretary into any complaints would probably turn Teresa May's hair greyer than it already is, but it would put her and her Policing Minister on notice that things were going badly wrong. The politicians cannot go on burying their heads in the sand and going into denial. It doesn't make the matter go away and it is too late to say sorry once someone has been killed or died as a result of the actions of out-of-control private-sector bailiffs.

[bizzybob]

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The guidelines issued by Devon & Cornwall Police are as per Home Office guidelines on police officers dealing with bailiffs. Copying the Home Secretary into any complaints would probably turn Teresa May's hair greyer than it already is, but it would put her and her Policing Minister on notice that things were going badly wrong. The politicians cannot go on burying their heads in the sand and going into denial. It doesn't make the matter go away and it is too late to say sorry once someone has been killed or died as a result of the actions of out-of-control private-sector bailiffs.

They have that one covered, with post Levinson Press controls, they will prevent the publication of stories involving bailiff malpractice, if they can as counter to the public interest