Disputing ticket is mine.

[bizzybob]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

If it was a numpty of a police officer who parked the hire vehicle in a penalty area knowing that to be so, it raises questions about the officer's actions and motives. This needs to be pursued with the numpty's Superintendent.

If the OP had kicked off and been arrested for obstruction, or whatever, will they take a PCN as a result of the officer dumping the detainee's motor seriously?

[MissFM]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

If the OP had kicked off and been arrested for obstruction, or whatever, will they take a PCN as a result of the officer dumping the detainee's motor seriously?

Whatever poor Sleepyhead was arrested for (and he clearly wasn't charged if I understand correctly) it's hard not to see this as other than a spiteful act on behalf of the officer who parked the car (presumably the officer would be aware of the law on this). There must be some way to get that officer to take personal responsibility surely?

[bizzybob]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

Whatever poor Sleepyhead was arrested for (and he clearly wasn't charged if I understand correctly) it's hard not to see this as other than a spiteful act on behalf of the officer who parked the car (presumably the officer would be aware of the law on this). There must be some way to get that officer to take personal responsibility surely?

One would hope so, as surely they should exercise due diligence in such a matter.

[MissFM]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

What do i do next.?

Stressed out waiting for bailiffs to turn up take my possessions or car.
ill try to explain best i can ,excuse the grammar.

About 15 months ago was driving along in a hire car,stopped by police the situation escalated and was arrested for very minor offence,was taken into custody for 8 hours.Released with out charge and no further action was taken.
Whilst in custody a police officer parked my hire car.
When i was released officer told me where the car was.
It had a ticket placed on it while i was in custody.

Week later i contacted council by e-mail (informal),explaining what had happened and in my opinion the police officer is responsible for ticket.

Few days later due to personal circumstances i left family home and moved to salvation army residence,combined with very serious health problem a parking ticket was least of my problems.

Few months later called round to see the children,my ex passed a delivered by hand notice she had recieved from bailiffs.
TOTAL out standing was 397 pounds.
They had been instructed by council to collect outstanding amount.

Contacted CAB,who passed me to a dept advice charity who after months of dealing with the bailiffs then turn round and tell me that i should seek legal advice as they did not consider it a dept problem.

Contacted a solicitor but he said would not get legal aid for this.
Representing my self is a problem as i am classed as disabled.
Stressful situations cause me to have seizures (fits)

The last letter dept advice charity recieved from council adviced them i should fill in forms TE9 and TE7 which i have done out lining reasons why my late appeal should be considerd,main reason my mental health was not up to dealing with it at that time.

E-mailed council week ago but have not replied to me.
What next.?

Is that what the Debt charity meant? (ie that the police should pay the fine?)

[Sleepyhead]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

OK, let's go right back to the start here. This is what you stated in Post 1.

You were driving the hire car.

1. Why did the police stop you?

2. Can you expand fully on your statement, "the situation escalated" please?

3. Possibly irrelevant, but did the police officer who parked your car also drive it back to the station?

4. Have you shown PTom's policy quotation about not being liable for tickets while in custody (can't remember exact wording) to your council, and asked if they have a similar policy? If not, you should!

If you can answer these, it would be great. I am not optimistic that you'll be able to avoid paying though unfortunately. Maybe someone else will come along and see something I can't.

Here we go.
No.1,2 :

Not sure about posting this on puplic forum as you know how people tend to judge.
Oh just another scally and are less inclined to help.
Had just come back from visiting my son in Suffolk was starving and called to a local takeaway in the towncentre.Orderd meal and sat in my car to eat it.
When finished my meal,i like to have a smoke of tobbacco,i make my own.

Pulls off,heading home,a police patrol car is passing in opposite direction to me.
i notice in my mirror he turns around and puts on his blue lights as a sign for me to pull over.
I stop . he comes to my car
sleepyhead: can i help you
Officer: when i passed you,could smell cannabis coming from the car.

I explains to him he is mistaken,the ciggaret in my hand is tobacco,but he is insisting it is cannabis.
He calls for backup and searches my car.There is nothing to find i dont take drugs.
He has at this stage taken my ciggaret and placed it in a evedince bag.

(This is what i think has happened.The city centre cameras have zoomed in on my car outside takeaway and mistaken me making a rolly as a cannabis joint.The camera operator has sent police to investigate.)

Back to car search,the police find nothing in my car and begin to question where i have been.
My reply was: You little creep,**** off or arrest me.
At this stage i am arrested.

At the police station my ciggaret was just plain old tobacco,the sargent decided no further action was nesecery.(Excuse the grammar),my spelling is atroshiss,lol.

3:The police officer parked my car two streets away from where i was arested.
He parked car whist i was in custody at police station.


4l Yes also sent copy of it to District Judge,with letter from Salvation Army proving i was residing there. When all corospondence was going to my old addrress.

[bizzybob]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

Actually as no crime had taken place apart from swearing at a copper, who at the time thought he had a nice drug bust on his hands, so would be looking for any excuse to arrest, and worse happens every day, the police should pay the PCN, as the officer should have been aware that the street had parking restrictions, and inflicted an unwarranted punishment on you.

[MissFM]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

I can quite understand how, after such a gruelling journey and just going about one's lawful business it might be tempting to swear at a policeman whose behaviour seems harassing Sleepyhead.

Was it the same arresting officer who parked your car in the penalty area (sorry - football match again)?

Does anybody know if the police have some sort of notice they can put on cars to say that they've parked it and not to put a ticket on? (like a disabled badge or a Doctor's badge

[bizzybob]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

I can quite understand how, after such a gruelling journey and just going about one's lawful business it might be tempting to swear at a policeman whose behaviour seems harassing Sleepyhead.

Was it the same arresting officer who parked your car in the penalty area (sorry - football match again)?

Does anybody know if the police have some sort of notice they can put on cars to say that they've parked it and not to put a ticket on? (like a disabled badge or a Doctor's badge

Don't think they have, some coppers would park it in the police office car park if there is one, and others may take it to a pound where payment would be needed to release it, maybe they thought they were doing Sleepyhead a favour moving it from where they pulled him . Either way they should pick up the tab or sort it imho.

[alham]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

On what grounds did you make an N244 application?

[Sleepyhead]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

Just got back from county court.
Asked to see court manager,he was off sick.
Asked to see 2nd in command,was attending court case.
Asked to see 3rd in command.The woman at the desk told me it was her.
Asked her if it was poss she could give me reasons for dismissal,she checks her computer,then goes in back room for 10 mins,when she comes back she gives me name of the highest judge in county court and explains i need to write to her asking for reasons of dismissal.
I explained to her that thus could take ages and was worried about the bailiffs now my appeal had been dismissed.
She checks her computer again and tells me no enforcement has been issued.

So,as you can see my grammar and sentenceing isnt up to scratch which ****es some people right off.
So eny ideas what i should say.(Besides what i would prefare to say which would incurr me getting huge costs)

[alham]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

I repeat, on what grounds did you ask for a set aside? It should have been NOT the validity of the ticket but the fact that you did not have a chance to defend yourself as you were not served with papers, etc...

[bizzybob]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

I repeat, on what grounds did you ask for a set aside? It should have been NOT the validity of the ticket but the fact that you did not have a chance to defend yourself as you were not served with papers, etc...

Exactly so, the court will rule on the submission, as presented, so if the validity of the ticket rather than the out of time was the key element, ever likely they refused it

[Sleepyhead]

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I repeat, on what grounds did you ask for a set aside? It should have been NOT the validity of the ticket but the fact that you did not have a chance to defend yourself as you were not served with papers, etc...

Sorry didnt ansewr sooner had to sleep for awhile.
I focused mainly on not living at my old address when correspondence was being sent there.
I sent them evidence with dates all signed.
Evidence of mental health,medication effects my memory.

Believe me i was well aware of what the DJ was interested in because of advice in previous posts.
Am going to write letter to Judge asking for reasons my appeal was dismissed.

[bluebottle]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

The police have a duty to ensure the security and account for all and any personal property (including motor vehicles) in the possession of an arrestee at the time of their arrest. This means they will either take a motor vehicle to the police station or have it taken to a secure pound. Clearly, this was not done and a formal complaint to the police force involved is in order. The arresting officer could be trouble for not arranging the safe custody of your vehicle. If your vehicle was deliberately and intentionally moved to a penalty area by another officer or on the instructions of the arresting officer, that is corrupt and improper practice on the part of the police officers responsible and could result in them facing a conduct hearing and possible dismissal from the police service. There is no place in the police service for officers who behave in a corrupt or improper manner.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Disputing ticket is mine.

There must be some way to get that officer to take personal responsibility surely?

I doubt that the Indolent Police & Corruption Commission will want to be bothered.

On the other hand, SH could sue the particular woodentop responsible.