The new PM

[Amethyst]

Re: The new PM

Also read the linked article - http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/07/andrea...tians-5992922/ and Andrea's actual blog http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working...blog?year=2006

People should go through voting records, speeches etc here:-

Andrea - https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24...rthamptonshire
Theresa - https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10...may/maidenhead

for example Andrea has never voted on allowing marriage between two people of same sex and has never voted on equal gay rights. I believe she abstained on both of those

and Theresa consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex and voted a mixture of for and against equal gay rights

[PAWS]

Re: The new PM

Just when I make a decision you guys come up with solid arguments! Blinking too clever for your own good you lot!
The truth is though, I still have to lean towards May as a sort of Hobson's choice. Right now we need a complete firebrand to negotiate our way through this instability. OK she may not be perfect and let us not be naïve -our next PM will depend on who promises the best jobs to whom. I would not trust half of the members to pick a prize pig at a fair never mind the person who we need to keep us fed and watered and let us be in no doubt; That is exactly what the new PM will have to do.
It does make me angry that pasty Gove, Lazarus Fargage (oh we all know he will be back again) and dip s**t Johnson have promised the sun,moon and stars to Brexiters and will not be responsible for delivery. They will simply say ‘it’s not our fault’ in a few years time when we are knee deep in the sticky stuff.

[Guest]

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Paws
I do think that whoever becomes PM has a very good chance of not making it to the next election ( unless a snap one is called). Then as you say Gove and co will all come out and say 'it's not my fault'

Amethyst
I have had a quick read of some of Leadsomes blog entries , it strikes me that all she has done is look at top line figures , so yes it may be the case that children of single mothers are more likely to do x y z but that does not look into other reasons such as poverty, it is much harder to hold down a good job when caring for young children , I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I also read somewhere, not sure if it was for the USA or UK but a massive number of children will, at some point in their lives, be part of a one parent household.

I also take issue with her arguments about marriage that it is a christian institution and therefore should not be open to same sex couples

But what I do think is I would have preferred for civil partnerships to be available to heterosexual and gay couples and for marriage to have remained as a Christian service that was for men and women who wanted to commit in the eyes of God.

If that is her view then she has just said she does not agree with marriage between two people of differing faiths be that Hindu, Muslim, Jew or other faiths, in other words 36% of the country who in 2010 did not identify as Christian.

He comments on HS2 are very much NIMBY, the Midlands and the North have born the brunt of the economic catastrophy that has befallen our country in the last 50 years with industry being devastated. If HS2 can bring some prosperity back to these areas then why should a few stop it.

I do find her comments really really offensive

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[Amethyst]

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I'd guess, like many others, prospective MPs write things on blogs without really thinking about it then find it very difficult to backtrack from later on, even if you do change your views, or were just saying things for attention / to be liked etc. The internet tends to remember.

[leclerc]

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Just when I make a decision you guys come up with solid arguments! Blinking too clever for your own good you lot!
The truth is though, I still have to lean towards May as a sort of Hobson's choice. Right now we need a complete firebrand to negotiate our way through this instability. OK she may not be perfect and let us not be naïve -our next PM will depend on who promises the best jobs to whom. I would not trust half of the members to pick a prize pig at a fair never mind the person who we need to keep us fed and watered and let us be in no doubt; That is exactly what the new PM will have to do.
It does make me angry that pasty Gove, Lazarus Fargage (oh we all know he will be back again) and dip s**t Johnson have promised the sun,moon and stars to Brexiters and will not be responsible for delivery. They will simply say ‘it’s not our fault’ in a few years time when we are knee deep in the sticky stuff.

I'd lean towards May on the basis of what has happened within the Labour Party currently. Corbyn has about 40 Mp's who like him and the rest dislike him. He was the outsider of the candidates and members overwhelmingly voted for him. However, being a leader and being electable is two different things. Corbyn does not want to appeal to traditional non Labour voters to get him to win the election.

The choice is simple: do you wanna try this new cheese that we've been told by others is good(well you might do once but would you go back? Doubt it) or go with what you know and what you think you'll keep buying into?

The choice is May or maybe it's time that Tim Farron got more people in so that all his MP's could not fit onto one tweet.

In regards to Brexit(this might not be the right thread) but negotiations are starting already in regards to trade deals: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36744736
Johnson was stabbed in the back but I kinda didn't like him. Gove I have never liked. Farage is an interesting case because when you take away the bravado of his presentation, some of the things that he has said have been proven albeit not entirely in the way it was presented.(if we are going to throw the NHS bit at Farage he was not part of the official leave campaign so perhaps this bit is for a different thread).

[Amethyst]

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This morning hasn't gone well for Ms Leadsom so far, disregarding what she said, and the way she said it, her reaction on Twitter is NOT what should be expected from a potential PM.


Times Article
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...dsom-0t7bbm29x

Leadsom's tweets
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom



Listen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865

Written




Balance - TheresaMay twitter https://twitter.com/TheresaMay2016

[Amethyst]

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And now this - Cameron says same-sex marriage is 'safe' following Andrea Leadsom comments http://ind.pn/29tATVh

[EXC]

Re: The new PM

Listening to the tape of the interview and the journalist it's clear that what the Times reported is what Leadsom said.

her reaction on Twitter is NOT what should be expected from a potential PM.

I agree, her tweets are just rants and not actually articulating what her objection is.

[Openlaw15]

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And now this - Cameron says same-sex marriage is 'safe' following Andrea Leadsom comments http://ind.pn/29tATVh

This sam sex marriage stuff is a bit dated, who gives a monkey's what people do in their own bed, or if you've been married a long time (don't do, ha ha, JK).

[Guest]

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The comments made by her both in the interview and on Twitter show her for what she is, reactionary nasty right wing.

I also believe any any attempt to repeal same sex marriage laws will see protests that made the protests made against Section 28 of the Local government Act 1988 seem like a walk in the park. Maybe she should take a lesson from history, Section 28 increased public awareness of homosexuality with many celebrities coming out and /or expressing their support for gay people. Even before S28 was passed public acceptance of homosexuality began to increase so maybe she should be careful what she wishes for.

[enaid]

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Doing my ed in now this lot, whoever is made PM will not be in office long I am convinced of that, so personalities, she said this, she said that are not relevant imho.
The fact is we NEED the best person to take us forward and tackle the EU regarding leaving and to get the best deals and agreements that will be in our best interests.
I personally don't think either of these is up to it, but that's just me, sems we have no other choice.
We must be a laughing stock, am sure everyone here thinks no one else in the EU can see or hear our news lol

[Openlaw15]

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The comments made by her both in the interview and on Twitter show her for what she is, reactionary nasty right wing.

I also believe any any attempt to repeal same sex marriage laws will see protests that made the protests made against Section 28 of the Local government Act 1988 seem like a walk in the park. Maybe she should take a lesson from history, Section 28 increased public awareness of homosexuality with many celebrities coming out and /or expressing their support for gay people. Even before S28 was passed public acceptance of homosexuality began to increase so maybe she should be careful what she wishes for.

it'll never be repealed = it's like the US Supreme Court made gay marriage a constitutional right...modern countries have to live in the real world. The state cannot dictate - the state is not a person, has no feelings, cannot pass moral judgement on others, but human can who represent the state, ie PM etc, but really shouldn't as the personal life of others is entirely that private.

[Amethyst]

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Statement from Andrea Leadsom just now - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36753854

[Guest]

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Openlaw
You say that but Section 28 was only repealed in 2003 and that was largely due to the then labour government not having a choice as it was incompatible with the HRA(1988) . If the HRA is repealed anything could happen. As you know the US Supreme Court is not like our legal system. The state dictates all the time, it dictates when we can marry, when we can legally have sex, how we drive, how we live.

[Amethyst]

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Doing my ed in now this lot, whoever is made PM will not be in office long I am convinced of that, so personalities, she said this, she said that are not relevant imho.
The fact is we NEED the best person to take us forward and tackle the EU regarding leaving and to get the best deals and agreements that will be in our best interests.
I personally don't think either of these is up to it, but that's just me, sems we have no other choice.
We must be a laughing stock, am sure everyone here thinks no one else in the EU can see or hear our news lol

I think personalities are important. Whoever takes us forward into the #Brexit negotiations will have some very difficult conversations ahead.