That referendum ...

[PAWS]

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Some decent points there Rob but when you did not like working in the Europe you could come home. Many of us will not have a choice. The companies and organisations pulling out of Britain are doing so because of the facts and they cannot afford to ‘wait and see’. The Individuals who are leaving are doing so because they see the whole future of the economy is in jeopardy and to be frank, if you see the publications around the world, we are already a laughing stock.
Already billions have been lost. Trying to hide this by propping things up with treasury money is like robbing Peter to pay Paul in the hope that John won't realise!
I do not want to leave my home and my friends. I do not see going back to Ireland as ‘going home’. It is very hard to explain to anyone who has always had the luxury of choice but it is hard to be condemned to leave the home you have built up to return to a society you fled. I have always been a fighter but you cannot change the built in feelings of the majority of the people. Somethings are written in stone and this is one of them. Lots of people are now making very hard choices and are not simply ‘running scared’. Many of us are giving up a lot and we are not doing it lightly.

[PAWS]

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Take one small company in the North West. On Thursday/ Friday the result ensured it lost a Ł12 million pound investment offer. On Friday it’s EU customers were at first delighted by the drop in the pound but will soon turn to other EU suppliers because they want to build up a relationship with them without fear that imports will be subject to duty and other restrictions. The company imports raw materials and due to the pound dropping in value the cost of the raw materials will reduce the profit margin and it will not be long before it will make them uncompetitive even in the UK. 50+ jobs are now vulnerable in the North West. It was already looking at relocating ‘just in case’.The price of commercial property in Ireland is starting to increase due to expected demand and will soon be in short supply. If they see their predictions already materialising then how can you expect them to wait until they are almost bankrupt before leaving?
The ones who can leave, ourselves included will probably be considered the lucky ones because at least 45 of those 50 will be out of work.Now that is a fact. 50 tax payers and NI contributors gone and 45 people on job seekers. Not speculation, not empty promises or media hype -Fact.
The frightening thing is many of the 45 voted to leave.
Whatever the reasons for voting out you cannot change the consequences and for some real people the consequences are very real and very harsh indeed. I do not see why the victims should be expected to simply go quietly to assuage the consciences of the people who voted to leave. We were accused of scaremongering before and are now accused of making Brexiters feel bad when the predictions come true.

[Crazy council]

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David milliband for PM. Standing on a EU remain ticket, will get negotiation from EU for some restriction of movement,



I can hope.
[MENTION=23709]rob[/MENTION] i agree with some of your points, and you clearly though them through and made a choice in with the understanding of the risk. I just feel a lot of exitors who voted didnt adn would readily change given the chance.

[PAWS]

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I have just been told that this ‘small’ and seemingly insignificant company's NI and PAYE contribution last month was more than Ł120,000. That works out at a rough contribution of Ł1.4 million pounds per year into the coffers. Now I do not know exactly but the weekly basic job seekers allowance for a couple is what Ł110 per week? So let’s round it up to be on the safe side and say 6k per year. Their contributions kept 233 unemployed people fed for one year and that is before we even mention corporate tax. That is one small company. Not even worth a mention in the press. If they had got that German investment they would have doubled their work force. So in theory the decision made on Thursday could have taken more than 2.5 million out of the government fund. What do you think the loss will add up to when the HSBC’s and Morgan Stanleys leave?

[wales01man]

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No company in the UK has so far set into motion the move out of here like taking on premises and relocating staff if they were to do so it would take a good few months to happen,
If the result had been different would the leave side have been so negative about the future a future no one knows what will be,

[Guest]

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This one's a really weird one: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/70000-...he-eu-5965541/

The City of London is the real power house in the UK, with a population of just around 6,000. I guess they refer to "Greater London" rather than the Square Mile.

[PAWS]

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No company in the UK has so far set into motion the move out of here like taking on premises and relocating staff if they were to do so it would take a good few months to happen,
If the result had been different would the leave side have been so negative about the future a future no one knows what will be,

This is a real company that has set into motion a move abroad. When will the penny drop?

Whatever the reason people voted makes little difference. My mother in Law :vixen:has admitted she voted out thinking she would get rid of the South Africans living next door (I kid you not) and succeeded in getting rid of her son! The south Africans are fine and dandy and building yet another controversial wall in the garden.
And have you seen this in the Sun?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1342831/streets-full-of-polish-shops-kids-not-speaking-english-but-union-jacks-now-flying-high-again/

I am sorry but the feelings or reasoning of those who voted leave will matter very little to us when we leave the home we have worked our guts out for.
I am just trying to get people to loose the apathy and procrastinating. Accusing people of alarmist tendencies is not going to help or asking us to stop making people feel bad is not going to change anything. Debating points of EU law is all very well but there is going to be a lot of basic cap twisting and humble pie eating before we can get back on track and to be honest we will, at some stage have to stop being so blinking arrogant and admit we made a huge mistake.

[leclerc]

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Why would EU citizens leave a place they have called home for the last 10 years plus? I voted leave but I am under no illusion that buses will pull up at every city to transport EU citizens out of the country when we finally leave the EU formally. They will remain here for as long as they wish to do so.

I know some people are ignorant about this but not every leave voter is THAT bad

[PAWS]

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Why would EU citizens leave a place they have called home for the last 10 years plus? I voted leave but I am under no illusion that buses will pull up at every city to transport EU citizens out of the country when we finally leave the EU formally. They will remain here for as long as they wish to do so.

I know some people are ignorant about this but not every leave voter is THAT bad

I give up

[Guest]

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Why would EU citizens leave a place they have called home for the last 10 years plus? I voted leave but I am under no illusion that buses will pull up at every city to transport EU citizens out of the country when we finally leave the EU formally. They will remain here for as long as they wish to do so.

I know some people are ignorant about this but not every leave voter is THAT bad

This is your answer:

My mother in Law :vixen:has admitted she voted out thinking she would get rid of the South Africans living next door (I kid you not) and succeeded in getting rid of her son!

Goes to show a number of people had no idea what they were voting for (or against). There was a lot of misinformation blaming the EU for everything, for example, refugees from Syria, so why not think that the S Africans were also allowed to be here due to the EU?

It's all well and good to vote, but people should know exactly what they are voting for. I happened to be in Spain at the time they were having a referendum about the European Constitution, and most Spaniards thought they had to vote "YES" because they thought a "NO" vote meant a vote to leave the EU. Here a lot of people voted Tory because they'd made certain promises which never materialised.

When you look at contract law, you'll find that a contract can be rescinded on the basis of misrepresentation, that is, when people entered into a contract after being led to believe it was something different to what it was. Sounds like the facts surrounding being in or out of the EU were also misrepresented.

[EXC]

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There will be no one left in Labour at this rate. 5 this morning so far ?

Benn / Murray / DePiero /Alexander / Powell ?

It's up to 8 now. Watching the Beeb they went through the list saying that ''you probably won't have heard of most ot the names'' which for me articulated Corbyn's problem ie where have they been?

EDIT just heard that Deputy Tom Watson (you've heard of him right?) was at Glastonbury this morning.

[wales01man]

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Knee jerk reaction from some if this company exists name it we can then follow its progress as they leave I also think that this Country will not be throwing out anyone who at the moment is legally entitled to be here more scaremongering nonsense

[meellis]

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Companies leaving and people leaving before anything has actually happened is a bit premature really but maybe its a good reason to hide other problems. If a company is ready to leave already then they have been planning for a while for some reason. As for the price of raw materials nobody truly knows what the future holds hence the panic, you could go somewhere else and find different problems, you might end up being able to get better and cheaper from new trade deals with countries outside the EU that were unable to trade when we were in the EU or new trade deals with the EU might cause little or better terms. The main point is though, nothing yet has started to happen with the UK leaving so panic now is only lining the pockets of those who prey on these situations.

[des8]

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I would expect any large international company with trading links to other EU countries (eg financial institutions/ car manufacturers) to have made contingency plans to deal with the initial aftermath of a leave vote.
What surprises me is that neither the leave nor the stay politicos seem to have even considered what to do in the event of a leave vote.

[wales01man]

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Watching question time with King ALEX who lost the indepece vote and the brexit one he is so arrogant you get the feeling he thinks the peasants are incapable of deciding anything.