EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 11:57:AM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Big Al View Post

Oh boo-hoo. Let's see your explanation of the answers given.

What again. OK well firstly it is a badly written request which limits the possible responses and makes it easy to misinterpret.
Funds are not usually physically sent but balances of the accounts are adjusted, this may be a response quoting the old situation who knows.

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 11:58:AM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Big Al View Post

And the EA is that exerciser, no-one else.

The exerciser Pote

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 12:04:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by andy58 View Post

The exerciser Pote

Yes, the exerciser... the person carrying out the exercise.

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 12:06:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by andy58 View Post

What again. OK well firstly it is a badly written request which limits the possible responses and makes it easy to misinterpret.
Funds are not usually physically sent but balances of the accounts are adjusted, this may be a response quoting the old situation who knows.

You are priceless. Greenwich:

No money is passed to the Enforcement Agent.

There is no policy, contract or service level agreement currently in place that compels us to pass on direct payments.

**Crazy council** · 19th February 2015, 12:19:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

but that does not meen that they dont pass on a payment to the EA, just that they do not pass on fees out of direct payment. Thre other accounting centers within there systems they can use are 1. The court fees proffit, 2. Minimum service level fees.

I think your sort of missing something in the fog here.

payments made to the LO, for CT or NNDR owed in the CURRENT financial year. and, payment made after teh current financial year.

The immediate difference is choice. In the FY, the LO holds the responsibility for the appropriateness of charging the extra fees against the account.

Hence, if you just pay what you owe ( plus court fees but minus EA fees,) to the LA, within the FY, then complain to the correct officer, and you have reason for your complaint. The LO absorbs the fees.

You really really do need to understand about how they run there accounting systems in general, accounting and charging centers, before you can correctly ask and interpret an FOI response in relation to movement and application of fees across there systems

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 12:24:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Crazy council View Post

but that does not meen that they dont pass on a payment to the EA, just that they do not pass on fees out of direct payment.

Greenwich: No money is passed to the Enforcement Agent.

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 12:26:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Crazy council View Post

Thre other accounting centers within there systems they can use are 1. The court fees proffit, 2. Minimum service level fees.

If they want to pass money to the EA from profits or other budgets that's up to them. However, they are not passing on money to the detriment of the debtor's arrears.

**Crazy council** · 19th February 2015, 12:48:PM

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 12:54:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Crazy council View Post

hi

try a read through these and there responses ( can be complex ), it will give you a better idea of the systems

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

**Big Al** · 19th February 2015, 13:08:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Aye-oop, Fenland have just replied.

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 13:26:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Big Al View Post

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

Spot on Al. This is why I (and I think you agree with me), I always recommend sitting it out as opposed to paying the creditor directly.

If the council don't stop enforcement, why pay them. This seems like a one way deal where the council can't loose. There is nothing to be gained if enforcement isn't stopped and the debtor's hand is weakened as the debt is paid.

Offer to clear the debt by all means but make sure that the council agree to stop enforcement first. If they refuse, they can wait for their money. Place the ball firmly in their court, this could be advantageous further on down the line.

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 13:49:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by L.Bizzy View Post

Spot on Al. This is why I (and I think you agree with me), I always recommend sitting it out as opposed to paying the creditor directly.

If the council don't stop enforcement, why pay them. This seems like a one way deal where the council can't loose. There is nothing to be gained if enforcement isn't stopped and the debtor's hand is weakened as the debt is paid.

Offer to clear the debt by all means but make sure that the council agree to stop enforcement first. If they refuse, they can wait for their money. Place the ball firmly in their court, this could be advantageous further on down the line.

I really do not know where to start with this nonsense, so I will not bother.

The last paragraph made me laugh so hard, hold the council to ransom. Lbizzy they are demanding from you not the other way around. Nice to were you returning to your fmotl roots.��

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 13:55:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Crazy council View Post

Some interesting factual info there, thanks

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 13:59:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by Big Al View Post

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

Sorry to dissapoint you pote but your efforts have established prescisly nothing

**Guest** · 19th February 2015, 14:04:PM

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Originally posted by andy58 View Post

Sorry to dissapoint you pote but your efforts have established prescisly nothing

Really this thread needs closing IMO. If just to protect the innocent menmber who may think they can avoid fees and end up owing more.
The truth of all this was established beyond any doubt months ago,it is just being trailed up again by the same two people for the same self serving reason

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