Derby Fire - Guilty

[enaid]

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I truly do not believe anyone is against benefits for the needy, I do believe most people if they were honest, are against people who survive by milking the benefit system.
As of Philpot the money that was paid into his household in benefits was as I understand all paid into his bank account, that would indeed be a tidy penny if he was claiming for all 11 kids living there. When his GF left taking 5 of those kids his money would be a lot less than previous so maybe that was something he didn't like either as well as losing his kids (which I am not 100% sure of) as a reason to try and stitch up his ex GF.

[Inca]

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I totally agree with you enaid,,I think her leaving and taking her kids and her benefits (and wages cos she worked) was the final straw that twisted his already psychotic brain. He was shown on TV to be a bigoted,bigheaded,violent,arrogant first class 100% bully who ruled through fear.And because the other woman stood up to him and left he couldn't think of anything more evil than to try and frame her.
They got benefits because the law said they were entitled to them,,he tried every trick in the book to get a big house from his council (tried..and failed yay!!!).... He sponged off the system and made sure the system paid by procreating as often as he could with as many women as he could (all I can say is Yuck,,I would have had to have been in a coma,,,he's particularly gross,but each to their own)
Unfortunately,,because of his crimes,we will be inflicted with his ugly mush on telly for a while,,but IF this case leads to more benefit scroungers being scrutinised then that can only be a good thing .

[Sapphire]

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Well according to the radio programme I've just been listening to, the fire was started the night before they went to court to gain the kids back from the ex lover, the idea being that he would be the hero and she would get the blame for the fire, then he, the wife and kids would be given a bigger council house, which would in effect mean more benefits.
That in itself is cold and calculating.

I do believe that the majority of working people in this country are getting sick to the eye teeth of working their guts out whilst their are people who milk the system for what its worth, and lets remember the old saying that 'the devil makes work for idle hands', that certainly seems to ring true in Philpotts case. Therefore I personally think that the time has come to phase out child related benefits and stop paying people to have children, we do need to go back to the old way of getting none for the 1st, a bit for the second and maybe a third, but no more than that, you have them, you pay for them, simple as that.

Now another thing I've heard is that the local travellers had a whip round of £3k to pay towards the kids funerals, now no matter what we think of travellers, one thing about them is that they look after their kids, and their own, well because Philpott took the pish and spent the money on booze and parties etc they have now put up an offer of a lot of money to the first inmate that gets him at Wakefield nick, I bet that queue is round the block so to speak.

[dogtired]

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He will always have to " watch his back", as will his wife and friend.
He may think that because he has been inside before, he knows how the "system" works.
I believe in Karma, what goes around comes around.

[Inca]

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I recall watching a documentary not so long ago about a Manchester 'thug'...he was sent to Strangeways for something or other,,and one of his cronies stating 'He'll be ok,,he's bisexual and he'll get all the sex he wants in there'. Lets hope Philpott swings from both trees msl: cos if he doesn't he might find out just what an insignificant little prat he really is.

[dogtired]

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Strangeways is a grim place, I lived near it as a child do not know what it is like now.

[enaid]

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I have a relative who is a serving PO locally and a neighbour who is an ex PO who says of my relative he should be working in a proper prison which he classes as Strangeways.
I can only give my take on this and tbh as with so many other services they are farmed out to the cheapest and often worst people to run any kind of service let alone one as important as a prison one and as the old saying goes you gets what you pay for.

[jon1965]

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As long as they 'play the game' in prison life isn't going to be that tough,as I said,they have access to everything except the choice to leave.
Oh...and they are hardly 'locked in one room'.....they aren't (to the best of my knowledge but am happy to be proven wrong) on 24hr lockdown,,

So far as I know the will be segregated and in Cat A prisons with the most unpleasant people there are, not I think an easy option. They will be many many hours when they are in lock down.

I truly do not believe anyone is against benefits for the needy, I do believe most people if they were honest, are against people who survive by milking the benefit system.

The problem with that is that the system is broken and the government are using a blunt tool to reduce the benefit bill. How many appeals are won, far too many if the system is fair, but the wait for the appeal is long and stressful and can make people worse. It is on the whole the good honest needy who suffer as the professional scroungers know exactly how to "play" the system.

I recall watching a documentary not so long ago about a Manchester 'thug'...he was sent to Strangeways for something or other,,and one of his cronies stating 'He'll be ok,,he's bisexual and he'll get all the sex he wants in there'. Lets hope Philpott swings from both trees msl: cos if he doesn't he might find out just what an insignificant little prat he really is.

Even if he does , as you so nicely put it, swings from both trees, are you really condoning rape or assuming that he or any other gay man will sleep with anyone! So is it OK for a man to rape a straight woman because she likes sex with men?
I am sorry but comment is completely out of order

[Inca]

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I knew you would jump out of your pram jon,,I should have placed a wager on it instead of the Grand National..as I said (so often now it's boring)..it's my opinion..if I offend you,,block me.

Oh and for the record......I'm claustrophobic,,scaredofheightsphobic...scaredofbi rdsphobic.......and that's it,,don't twist my words to make me appear homophobic,I don't care who does what to whom whatever breed,creed,race or sexuality , I'm too busy with my own life to dictate what other people should do (and quite honestly,,I don't care,,as long as my kith and kin are ok and my world is a happy one)
My point was.........maybe...just maybe...he might feel fear...feel threatened...(I hope so)

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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just for my little 2pence, as a mam of 3 I wish he was in the US where people like him are put on a chain gang and made to work.

The idea of a man knowingly endangering his kids life.. he deserves everything they throw at him inside.. and I do mean THROW at him, should be put in with the other inmates, why should he get special treatment, and should be made to look at those kids faces forever.

As for his missus, contempt doesnt even come in to it..

And if my little tirade has upset anyone.. been nice knowing you hasnt it?

[Sapphire]

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I know that over here they couldn't be charged with murder and it had to be manslaughter to make it stick, but over in America a woman left her baby out to freeze to death, ok so she got done for first degree murder, but she got 50 yes 50 years, I can't help thinking that we should have the same tarriff system.

http://news.sky.com/story/1074654/mo...-gets-50-years

[jon1965]

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Inca, I would have left it however your words did sound homophobic to me and rightly or wrongly that can be enough to make someone guilty of it (it is not always the intent but how people perceive ) certainly the words you quoted were from someone with a stereotypical view of gay men.
For the record I am quite happy to see him rot in prison for the rest of his life and I also think that life should mean life but at the same time the charge of murder needs redefining just as in the U.S.
I do hope he feels fear while in prison but I am not prepared to condone sexual violence on any level whatever your sexuality or gender.

We obviously have some differing views , so what? Life would be boring if we all thought the same and very very sad if we just ignored people we didn't agree with.

I also agree that we all want our own to be safe and happy....but I for one want more than that...I want the world to be better. Maybe an unrealistic option and maybe I should do more about it, for now I will just stand my ground

Hurricane ...maybe the mother is a monster as well, I don't know...it seems the judge thought she was less so. Maybe a good moral is not to judge others until you have walked a mile in their shoes. If she fell prey to this man and was manipulated that doesn't mean she is automatically worthy of contempt .

[Inca]

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What irks me is they get new identitys etc.......I'm gonna shut up cos I feel a rant brewing...msl:Oh,,,and jon...the gay people I know,male and female,,are my friends because I like THEM not because of their sexuality,I really really don't care,,after all my disabilities put me in a different 'group' than your average 50year old Mum of 1 but I wouldn't put up with anyone judging me because of it.( Not that they would get the chance to judge me,,cos I can spot a fake a mile off face to face).
No,,rant is on......they offered no protection to those they hurt/killed,,,why should they get anything? They should be locked up until they wear a wooden overcoat,,made to suffer crap food,,have no TV and get the bare minimum one needs to survive ( ask Bear Grylls,,it aint much)...oooooh it makes me so angry...and ,if they have to be let out,they should be slung out on their ear and have a transmitter implanted so every move they make is monitored so they can't run amok and do more crimes,,first sign of it,,slung back in a dungeon and left there,,they had their chance.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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new identity is fine by me.. just let us know what it is

[jon1965]

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Inca
I get what you are saying about new identities but I have to try and balance that with the law. Maxine Carr for example, what she did was wrong, she covered up for him and she paid a heavy price. However she would have been in danger if she had not been given a new identity and that would have made her punishment unjust.
Jon Venables and the other one, the name escapes me...well I am guessing that the judge knew more than we did..we have to trust in the legal system even though it needs change...we have to trust in the judges. As it turns out, one of them was so scared that he will probably never be released now, the other one well maybe and lets hope so, he has grown up repented and can give to society.
If we fail to allow the rule of law to be followed we have learned nothing.

As for gay people, believe me there are lots I do not like, just as there are lots of str8 people I do not like. I do however believe that we people owe it to everyone to be open about our sexuality ...another thread another time.... A right to privacy yes but a lie such as i prefer a cup of tea to sex is not right