Morally wrong to eat horses!!!

[brummie]

hoarse

throat's killing me....

tanglefoot springs to mind.....

[jon1965]

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Brummie , that's sick, but funny

[brummie]

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meaty....

[Angry Cat]

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You will not find this funny though.
please watch to the end!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r37x4

[kanine]

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Hello Aall,
I have read this thread with great interest and all the differring opinions expressed. As some one who earns my living from the land by dairy farming I would like to make the following points and observations.

As farmers you have to accept that the keeping of livestock means that at some point you have to make the decision when an animals life must come to an end, whether that be because in beef production they are "prime" and are ready for slaughter or as mostly in our case they have ended their productive life and/or illness has become chronic etc.

The issue for me is that this process is done with the utmost integrity and that should be for all livestock. Cattle can be moved expertly with little stress if operatives are competent but will be highly stressed if they are not. Sadly so much of the consistency that is needed to make this process as stress free as it should be is compromised by humanity ( it's inconsistency) In 2001 our herd was lost in the foot and mouth outbreak. It was diagonosed on a saturday evening in March and the slaughter was arranged for the monday morning. A neighbour who had lost his the previous week told me whatever I did, make sure I stayed on the farm all day until the slaughter was finished to see that it was done properly.I fretted about it all day Sunday but did as he said.


Two men came ( a father and son ) who were owners of a small abbattoir. They sorted the penning system passage to the crate and organised the immediate carcass removal from it. At no time all day did I see an animal stressed or upset. They were masters of their trade and were professionals and thus a most distressing time for me was balanced with seeing this job done with such integrity. And out of that whole sorry episode I still say ten years on that it was the most important thing I did was staying on site that day, I put every animal in the crate myself.


The greater problem now is that farming in real terms has very few customers, i.e the retailers who have to deliver profits, when economies become deatabilised as they have in the last few years and consumer spend has tightened margins are cut all the way down the chain and this time it coincided with a global tightening of beef supply. This collision of circumstances was the inevitable conduit for the relatively cheap horsemeat to enter the chain, it is that simple.

I for one enjoy all types of meat, and I also state that no one enjoys vegetables and fruit more than I do, the great distress for me in the modern food chain is that properly used our resoursce in terms of food production in the world could feed so many more people with a "BALANCED" diet if the science was used for proper purpose, that technology is embraced properly at all stages within the chain because that is where the stress free treatment of the animals farmed within it can come from, and believe me there are extremes in the other direction where some farmers will treat their animals to a level that a vast number of the human race never experience. Like it or not I think food costs to us all will become a bigger part of our cost of living, the World is always becoming hungrier and for now more affluent (developing countries). Methods of farming will become far more intensive but that doesn't mean animal welfare needs to suffer, what is important is that good stockmen//women can get the financial rewards that their commitment deserves, for now that is not the case but hopefuly that can be made to change. Farmers and their representatives talk to much to themselves and only a few communicate outwardly to their customers (the consumers) and tend to feel they must represent the good life type mentality. That sadly is not much more than subsistance farming and cannot, rightly or wrongly meet the demands that will be put upon it.

[Angry Cat]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21501568

[Angry Cat]

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Hmm wonder which are tastiest ?

Enjoy your salami:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...y-meat-1713934
But, do you really know what's in it?

I stopped eating choritzo and salami in 2003...!

[Sleepyhead]

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Vegan Mom: Honey, Animals are living breathing things and we can't eat them!
Son: If animals aren't supposed to be eaten, then why are they made out of meat?

I remember when meat was a luxury,
Now you can walk in to icland and buy ready meat meal for a quid,didnt you ever think to yourself how the supermarkets done this? i did but didnt want to know the answer.It was cheap and tasted ok.

[gravytrain]

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MMM Salami

My opinion this whole thing reminds me of the Edwina Currie Egg scare, only in that case the issue was a legitimate(possibly) health one. Any heath issues need to be addressed as a matter of urgency of course.

To me this is just a matter of labeling infringement. Sorry. I have no sentimental attachment to animals, not that I would want to see them suffer of course, but i think it is hypocritical to say we it is OK to eat one species and not OK to eat another.

Bring on the Bunny. Yum Yum

[leclerc]

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Has anyone died, to date, from contaminated meat?

The issue of what is in the food is kinda yade yade cos the minimum requirement of the foot is less than 100% beef....

Am watching the Panorama program at the moment which is quite interesting....

[Angry Cat]

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Has anyone died, to date, from contaminated meat?


Am watching the Panorama program at the moment which is quite interesting....

Nobody know, yet!

If you watch the Panorama program you should note:
"If you don't know whats in it, bin it...do not eat!

Also, interesting how they brought in the story that I made reference to in Ireland. The link is a few pages back, post:138:
“We have been following lorry loads of horses to abattoirs in Ireland, Britain and Europe for months now. We have watched abattoirs being opened up late at night so people can deliver lorry loads of horses and have them slaughtered in the middle of the night,” he said.
“The Irish authorities are doing nothing to stop this trade. I would urge countries who are importing horse meat from Ireland and Northern Ireland to enforce an immediate ban as the meat they are importing is not fit for human consumption. Hundreds of unwanted horses are being rounded up and sold into the food chain using false paperwork.”

Furthermore, the FSA are a waste of space; not fit for purpose...same applies to TS

[gravytrain]

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Has anyone died, to date, from contaminated meat?

The issue of what is in the food is kinda yade yade cos the minimum requirement of the foot is less than 100% beef....

Am watching the Panorama program at the moment which is quite interesting....

I don't think the problem is with contamination, i saw the clip of the abattoir with the side of beef next to the side of horse, they both looked equally disgusting to me, dare say by the time they reach the plate ether will be fine.
Long as they are correctly labeled.

If horse meat is so much cheaper perhaps it should be marketed as a product in it's own right, like mutton, a cheaper cut.

I noticed some one mentioned that in the sixties the average family spent 50% of their budget on food, now its around 15%.
Given the current amount of consumption, the demand for cheap meat had to be met somehow i suppose.

Perhaps we will have to get used to spending a bit less on the sky TV and a bit more on the Aberdene Angus, just a thought

[Angry Cat]

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I don't think the problem is with contamination, i saw the clip of the abattoir with the side of beef next to the side of horse, they both looked equally disgusting to me, dare say by the time they reach the plate ether will be fine.
Long as they are correctly labeled.

If horse meat is so much cheaper perhaps it should be marketed as a product in it's own right, like mutton, a cheaper cut.

I noticed some one mentioned that in the sixties the average family spent 50% of their budget on food, now its around 15%.
Given the current amount of consumption, the demand had to be met somehow i suppose.

Perhaps we will have to get used to spending a bit less on the sky TV and a bit more on the Aberdene Angus, just a thought

YUK
I dont think that will go down well with decent British families...!

As stated earlier, it is cheaper and healthier to bulk cook from scratch.
And stop buying all this revolting unhealthy processed food.

It all started here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21443166

Now be have obesity as a major health problem in Britain. Young men and women need to learn how to cook and to start making decent wholesome meals with quality ingredients just as they were made in the 50's;
cheap cuts are fine, not need to spend a fortune but try to buy local food.

No need to eat the noble steed...

[gravytrain]

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YUK
I dont think that will go down well with decent British families...!

Are you inferring our continental cousins are less than decent, how very dare you.

[leclerc]

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This is off at a tangent but a recent study suggested that children from middle class families are MORE obese than working class families who would probably due to a lack of £££ buy processed food