Morally wrong to eat horses!!!

[leclerc]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...years-ago.html

[Angry Cat]

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Yes, I was aware of that leclerc.
But quite a lot of dodgy deals went on after the War (II)...many made their fortunes too!

There is however, no excuse now.

[leclerc]

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Yes, I was aware of that leclerc.
But quite a lot of dodgy deals went on after the War (II)...many made their fortunes too!

There is however, no excuse now.

I do not really care if you are aware or not as I thought this was merely a news link posting up thread now.

The issue at hand where I think we are both in agreement, if not necessarily the topic of eating horsemeat, is the labelling of food which is sold to me or you stating it contains beef when it contains traces/pieces of something that we may not want to eat.

[gravytrain]

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To me as said earlier the interesting question has not been addressed.
That is, do we as a society (in this country) regard eating horse-meat as moral. It is trite to say each individuals morals are a matter for themselves, but what appears on the shelves in the local supermarket depends on the collective idea of what is acceptable(moral).

In my opinion, the fact that this issue as provokes so much media attention and debate is an indication that it is not.

[MissFM]

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[Angry Cat]

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I do not really care if you are aware or not as I thought this was merely a news link posting up thread now.

The issue at hand where I think we are both in agreement, if not necessarily the topic of eating horsemeat, is the labelling of food which is sold to me or you stating it contains beef when it contains traces/pieces of something that we may not want to eat.

I do not disagree, leclerc!

[MissFM]

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I do not disagree, leclerc!

No-one disagrees with that do they? Or ever has?

[leclerc]

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To me as said earlier the interesting question has not been addressed.
That is, do we as a society (in this country) regard eating horse-meat as moral. It is trite to say each individuals morals are a matter for themselves, but what appears on the shelves in the local supermarket depends on the collective idea of what is acceptable(moral).

In my opinion, the fact that this issue as provokes so much media attention and debate is an indication that it is not.

The issue is that when you buy a product which states that it contains BEEF, is that it contained EQUINE DNA from merely trace elements(which is about the cleaning of the facility that is being used) to as much as a third(29%) of horsemeat in a product which is clearly classed as a contamination of the product. I think when any retailer defrauds you then that is the real issue. If I said to you that I have a cucumber and it's the best cucumber in the world and you buy it and find out it is a sausage then clearly you are offended that I have sold you a fraudulent product.

Fraudulently telling us we are buying one product when we are buying another is the moral issue. Being lied to and being sold a lie effectively. I think everything else comes into the mix, ie how do we really know where our meat comes from or how it is processed. What do we know about the slaughterhouses being used by the big firms to produce meat that is packaged up and sold at mass market.

[MissFM]

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The issue is that when you buy a product which states that it contains BEEF, is that it contained EQUINE DNA from merely trace elements(which is about the cleaning of the facility that is being used) to as much as a third(29%) of horsemeat in a product which is clearly classed as a contamination of the product. I think when any retailer defrauds you then that is the real issue. If I said to you that I have a cucumber and it's the best cucumber in the world and you buy it and find out it is a sausage then clearly you are offended that I have sold you a fraudulent product.

Fraudulently telling us we are buying one product when we are buying another is the moral issue. Being lied to and being sold a lie effectively. I think everything else comes into the mix, ie how do we really know where our meat comes from or how it is processed. What do we know about the slaughterhouses being used by the big firms to produce meat that is packaged up and sold at mass market.

Yes that is an issue Leclerc and one with which no-one would disagree - it's a no-brainer (lol) but it's not the far more contentious - and avoided - issue that is the subject of this thread.

[jon1965]

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I am not sure if the consumption of horse meat is even a moral issue. It is , for many a cultural one. Many many people accept that horsemeat is eaten widely across the world but choose not to eat it in the UK. Personally I think it is immoral to eat foie gras and for want of a better word "traditional" veal because of the ethics of obtaining it.
However it is not immoral to eat horse of rabbit , just something I chose not to do.

As for the contamination, if it is traces of DNA from a factory that uses horse meat then there are maybe hygiene issues, of course if those traces can not be explained then we do have a problem.

If it is more than a trace that shows , in my opinion that there are some underhand practices going on.
I am not sure about food labelling laws but I am guessing there is a point at which an ingredient doesn't need to be listed, is that 1%, 0.1%, 0.01% I have no idea

If it is , as has been in a few cases substantial amounts then there is fraud going on but who by has yet to be determined

[gravytrain]

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The issue is that when you buy a product which states that it contains BEEF, is that it contained EQUINE DNA from merely trace elements(which is about the cleaning of the facility that is being used) to as much as a third(29%) of horsemeat in a product which is clearly classed as a contamination of the product. I think when any retailer defrauds you then that is the real issue. If I said to you that I have a cucumber and it's the best cucumber in the world and you buy it and find out it is a sausage then clearly you are offended that I have sold you a fraudulent product.

Fraudulently telling us we are buying one product when we are buying another is the moral issue. Being lied to and being sold a lie effectively. I think everything else comes into the mix, ie how do we really know where our meat comes from or how it is processed. What do we know about the slaughterhouses being used by the big firms to produce meat that is packaged up and sold at mass market.

This may be an issue, but the issue of this thread is the one stated at the top.

I din't think anyone would argue against that food labeling has to be accurate. Would they ?

[gravytrain]

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I am not sure if the consumption of horse meat is even a moral issue.

Clearly it is, at least for some.

[Angry Cat]

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Yes that is an issue Leclerc and one with which no-one would disagree - it's a no-brainer (lol) but it's not the far more contentious - and avoided - issue that is the subject of this thread.

Of course, but it is not that simple!
You are like a dog with a bone and I have no intention of changing my view, which is an English cultural view.

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Horse Meat, Cultural Differneces

In Britain, horse meat is pretty much regarded as a taboo. As a result, so it is in most English-speaking countries around the world, like the USA, Ireland and Australia. In these countries, the killing of horses for human consumption is widely opposed, because they are looked on as pets, like dogs and cats, as sporting animals and are not to be treated as meat.[End Quote]

[MissFM]

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We all agree on the food labelling issue - there is no disagreement and never has been - it's a red herring, though, as far as the question posed by this thread is concerned.

There are those, like myself, who have a deep spiritual relationship with horses and it's impossible to explain or transmit by words - maybe cat and dog lovers would feel the same at the prospect of eating their companions. I don't know - I wouldn't want to eat them either for similar but not identical reasons.

There are others who feel that, because there is no logic behind this attitude, it must therefore be wrong and it seems to invoke rage.

Hey ho.

[gravytrain]

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We all agree on the food labelling issue - there is no disagreement and never has been - it's a red herring, though, as far as the question posed by this thread is concerned.

There are those, like myself, who have a deep spiritual relationship with horses and it's impossible to explain or transmit by words - maybe cat and dog lovers would feel the same at the prospect of eating their companions. I don't know - I wouldn't want to eat them either for similar but not identical reasons.

There are others who feel that, because there is no logic behind this attitude, it must therefore be wrong and it seems to invoke rage.

Hey ho.

Whilst I understand the sentiment here, personally I do not share it. I do think though, that in this country at least I may be in a minority.