The EU referendum

[Guest]

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ey up M'duck is not exactly northern, more east Mids but Ey Up is , I would say definitely more Northern. Of course depends where you live, some people think of Watford Gap as the North

[des8]

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old NZ lamb = mutton? no?

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Actually I have to agree. Love the old NZ lamb.

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[wales01man]

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WHAT! Watford gap is not up north why have they passport control in the services?

[Openlaw15]

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Don’t get me started on Karl Marx! Champagne socialist who lived beyond his means and ponced off everyone.
I am afraid that in 1972 this country was not in such great shape which is probably why the people voted to stay in the referendum of 1975.
Look, perhaps we should just be glad that we live in a country that still allows us a say!

"The main arguments are 1 -money. We gave the EU roughly £17.8 billion last year. Fact is we received about £5 billion in rebates. We also get subsidies paid to farmers and some businesses that amount to approximately £6 billion. The advantage of free trade is estimated to be worth between £6 and £7 billion to UK based companies."

We know for a fact that we pay approximately 20 billion into the EU pot. We do not know for certain how much per se we get from the EU besides speculative amounts. We do not know how much farmers get back in rebates, more to the point which farmers in the UK if there were a certain hierarchy of farmers. I know, albeit anecdotally that many farmers are still struggling either way with any rebates they either do or do not get, according to a friend who works in a relevant part of government.

2 -migration. OK I have a vested interest here but am I the only one who has travelled through Europe and met British People working there? I am I the only one to have seen pubs called the rose and crown and been able to buy British newspapers abroad.? The fact is the British do migrate and work in Europe.


3 -strain on social welfare. It is easy to say Europeans come here just to claim benefits. If this is an EU directive then they can claim benefits in all the EU member states. Trust me the payments here are not the best in Europe. If a European worker pays PAYE and NI in this country he or she has a right to claim benefits such as Children’s allowance and has a right to free health care just like any other worker. Claiming benefits when you have not worked here is wrong but becoming more difficult and will be amended in the future.

4 -Non democratic /having legislation forced upon us. If it is so undemocratic then how come we get to elect MEPs who have the same right to veto or support all laws, rules and regulations governing the EU states? OK we may not get our own way all of the time but we do have a say in Europe and much of the legislation is to everyone’s benefit including ours.


4 -Identity/Sovereignty. My husband refers to himself as being English. He was born and raised in Britain but calls himself English. We live in Wales where most people call themselves Welsh and believe me the Scots have no problem with their identity. We speak English and have the Queens image on our Sterling. Around the world people who have never set foot in Ireland wreath themselves in Shamrock and dance like electrocuted eels on St. Patrick's day! Digest this weekends celebrations of the Queens birthday or watch the last night of the Proms.
That one simply does not hold water. There is no issue with identity.


The UK is an island nation. It is a proud and despite the general air of gloom and doom, a prosperous country. Should we cut ourselves adrift from Europe then I have no doubt the consequences would be disastrous. However…..we live in a democracy and we do have a choice. I must admit that the trend seems to be to leave and I actually expect this to be the result.

There is no adequate break down of costs except speculative amounts.

[PAWS]

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Most of the financial figures are based on treasury reports -the figure that tells us how much membership of the EU is worth to UK commerce may be impossible to estimate exactly but is more likely to be reserved as the knock on impact on support services has not been factored in.

[Ripped-Off]

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as the knock on impact on support services has not been factored in

You could also flip this on its head and try to calculate what the cost is to the economy on top of the £20bn when all other things are considered such as the direct and indirect monetary and social cost of education, health care, transport and infrastructure pressures, affects on the housing and rental markets. The list is endless...........

A glass can only hold as much water as it was designed for, and if things carry on the phrase 'standing shoulder to shoulder' will have a whole new meaning! We'll have to sleep standing up or hot bed.

[Fred]

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It seems the French have spent a fortune on anti extremist security measures during this Euro Football competition..................only to deal with idiots from the UK.

This is the most compelling information I have read so far for getting out...........................its embarrassing.

[PAWS]

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Sorry, I meant services supporting the industries that rely on EU trade. I haven’t explained myself too well there -not a good thing for a writer!
When it comes to immigration I do appreciate that personal experience is based on where you live. I do know however that migrant workers are just that-migrant. During the late 70’s and most of the 80’s Germany was full of migrant workers including the English and Irish especially in areas like Hamburg and Stuttgart. It is now the same here - workers do tend to collect where work is available but that is just it -where work is available. Not where the handouts are.
I live in a fairly rural area where there is no mass influx of EU migrants but the services are still overstretched. I also know many British medical professionals who have left this country because the NHS is badly managed.
The media must also take responsibility for sensationalising the situation. I absolutely support the freedom of the press within the parameters of the law but scaremongering and using the power of nightmares to sell copy may just result in this country cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face.

[PAWS]

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It seems the French have spent a fortune on anti extremist security measures during this Euro Football competition..................only to deal with idiots from the UK.

This is the most compelling information I have read so far for getting out...........................its embarrassing.

There is a real and qualified threat from Islamic extremists at Euro 16. In light of what has happened in Paris I am glad they are taking such strong action. If they didn’t the press would say ‘soft French allowing butchers to run amok’. After all ‘soft’ policing in Europe is one of the arguments of the ‘out’ campaign.
It is not, as the press have reported in place to control UK supporters but to protect them.

[Openlaw15]

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Don’t get me started on Karl Marx! Champagne socialist who lived beyond his means and ponced off everyone.
I am afraid that in 1972 this country was not in such great shape which is probably why the people voted to stay in the referendum of 1975.
Look, perhaps we should just be glad that we live in a country that still allows us a say!


The main arguments are 1 -money. We gave the EU roughly £17.8 billion last year. Fact is we received about £5 billion in rebates. We also get subsidies paid to farmers and some businesses that amount to approximately £6 billion. The advantage of free trade is estimated to be worth between £6 and £7 billion to UK based companies.
2 -migration. OK I have a vested interest here but am I the only one who has travelled through Europe and met British People working there? I am I the only one to have seen pubs called the rose and crown and been able to buy British newspapers abroad.? The fact is the British do migrate and work in Europe.


3 -strain on social welfare. It is easy to say Europeans come here just to claim benefits. If this is an EU directive then they can claim benefits in all the EU member states. Trust me the payments here are not the best in Europe. If a European worker pays PAYE and NI in this country he or she has a right to claim benefits such as Children’s allowance and has a right to free health care just like any other worker. Claiming benefits when you have not worked here is wrong but becoming more difficult and will be amended in the future.

"4 -Non democratic /having legislation forced upon us. If it is so undemocratic then how come we get to elect MEPs who have the same right to veto or support all laws, rules and regulations governing the EU states? OK we may not get our own way all of the time but we do have a say in Europe and much of the legislation is to everyone’s benefit including ours."

No, the European Parliament at best can make recommendations to the other EU's powerful institutions. It's the European Council who have the power and the Commission to a smaller extent. UK Parliament in London is democratic whereas EU Parliament is the only democratic institution in the EU albeit its powers are inferior, according to the EU Constitution articles.


4 -Identity/Sovereignty. My husband refers to himself as being English. He was born and raised in Britain but calls himself English. We live in Wales where most people call themselves Welsh and believe me the Scots have no problem with their identity. We speak English and have the Queens image on our Sterling. Around the world people who have never set foot in Ireland wreath themselves in Shamrock and dance like electrocuted eels on St. Patrick's day! Digest this weekends celebrations of the Queens birthday or watch the last night of the Proms.
That one simply does not hold water. There is no issue with identity.


The UK is an island nation. It is a proud and despite the general air of gloom and doom, a prosperous country. Should we cut ourselves adrift from Europe then I have no doubt the consequences would be disastrous. However…..we live in a democracy and we do have a choice. I must admit that the trend seems to be to leave and I actually expect this to be the result.

Answered point on EU and democracy

[charitynjw]

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Apparently there's one group over there that's causing concern.

They have a history of striking indiscriminately, missing their targets completely, & getting out as fast as they can.

But what the hey; English footie fans are used to that!

[PAWS]

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Answered point on EU and democracy

The council is made up of the democratically elected heads of state -to put it simply, we are represented by David Cameron who, like it or loathe it was elected by us- the British people. A British prime minister has been President of the council on 6 occasions.

[Fred]

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There is a real and qualified threat from Islamic extremists at Euro 16. In light of what has happened in Paris I am glad they are taking such strong action. If they didn’t the press would say ‘soft French allowing butchers to run amok’. After all ‘soft’ policing in Europe is one of the arguments of the ‘out’ campaign.
It is not, as the press have reported in place to control UK supporters but to protect them.

You take me far too seriously:tinysmile_twink_t2:..................... ........................

[enaid]

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Mr Dyson says the EU sucks and he knows all about suction lol

[Fred]

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Not as much as these guys know about marketing.