The EU referendum

[Openlaw15]

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responses like that make me wonder where you studied EU law.

Responses like yours which are non sequitur make me think you can't distinguish between someone who has studied EU law and someone has studied EU law but equally possesses a lateral thinking mind to so criticise the institution that is EU law. Do you not understand the two things are not related?

[Kati]

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I have to go now -to the supermarket to get subsidised English butter and Milk, French Brie and wine, Italian pasta and, god help us all, German sausage. Might even go wild and get some Belgian chocolate. While I still can that is. i.e. before my Husband looses his job and the cheating UK government slap an import duty of 10% on everything and they will, believe me!

msl: ... can I join you??

[pt2537]

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Responses like yours which are non sequitur make me think you can't distinguish between someone who has studied EU law and someone has studied EU law but equally possesses a lateral thinking mind to so criticise the institution that is EU law. Do you not understand the two things are not related?

LOL gotta say i love the latin quotes, do you think they make you look clever? Well heres one for you, Res Ipsa Loquitur

[nemesis45]

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LOL gotta say i love the latin quotes, do you think they make you look clever? Well heres one for you, Res Ipsa Loquitur

All to loudly!!

[Openlaw15]

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LOL gotta say i love the latin quotes, do you think they make you look clever? Well heres one for you, Res Ipsa Loquitur

You know that law is drenched in Latin. You also know that res. ...is common especially in tort wherein the evidence is not forthcoming but in any event may speak for itself. I could quote Latin in terms of law at random but without context it serves little or no purpose whatsoever. I could use inter alia...but why save some grandiose, show-boating gesture, notwithstanding any other contextual Latin maxims et al. Using Latin outside of law for generic use is equally distinguishable to contextual Latin use for legal purpose. It's not about using Latin to, as you put it, 'making me look clever'... it's about not making presumptions that you're the only educated legal beagle on this very chat forum.

[nemesis45]

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You know that law is drenched in Latin. You also know that res. ...is common especially in tort wherein the evidence is not forthcoming but in any event may speak for itself. I could quote Latin in terms of law at random but without context it serves little or no purpose whatsoever. I could use inter alia...but why save some grandiose, show-boating gesture, notwithstanding any other contextual Latin maxims et al. Using Latin outside of law for generic use is equally distinguishable to contextual Latin use for legal purpose. It's not about using Latin to, as you put it,


******'making me look clever'... it's about not making presumptions that you're the only educated legal beagle on this very chat forum*******.

It appears that it is you who are the one " show boating " and making out that your knowledge is superior to al lothers making contributions here it's not helpful just boring.

nem.

[Openlaw15]

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LOL gotta say i love the latin quotes, do you think they make you look clever? Well heres one for you, Res Ipsa Loquitur

What annoys me about society is its childish cliques, and legal beagles being no exception ie 'thanks' where one person critiques the other. It is just so immature and cliques just bore me. By all means argue -persuade me using brainpower. Cliques serve the purpose of showing power but with prejudiced undertones ie an arbitrary power for arbitrary sake, It's like a Machiavellian way to discredit another owing to the other person's deep-seated prejudices.

[Openlaw15]

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Don’t get me started on Karl Marx! Champagne socialist who lived beyond his means and ponced off everyone.
I am afraid that in 1972 this country was not in such great shape which is probably why the people voted to stay in the referendum of 1975.
Look, perhaps we should just be glad that we live in a country that still allows us a say!


The main arguments are 1 -money. We gave the EU roughly £17.8 billion last year. Fact is we received about £5 billion in rebates. We also get subsidies paid to farmers and some businesses that amount to approximately £6 billion. The advantage of free trade is estimated to be worth between £6 and £7 billion to UK based companies.
2 -migration. OK I have a vested interest here but am I the only one who has travelled through Europe and met British People working there? I am I the only one to have seen pubs called the rose and crown and been able to buy British newspapers abroad.? The fact is the British do migrate and work in Europe.


3 -strain on social welfare. It is easy to say Europeans come here just to claim benefits. If this is an EU directive then they can claim benefits in all the EU member states. Trust me the payments here are not the best in Europe. If a European worker pays PAYE and NI in this country he or she has a right to claim benefits such as Children’s allowance and has a right to free health care just like any other worker. Claiming benefits when you have not worked here is wrong but becoming more difficult and will be amended in the future.

4 -Non democratic /having legislation forced upon us. If it is so undemocratic then how come we get to elect MEPs who have the same right to veto or support all laws, rules and regulations governing the EU states? OK we may not get our own way all of the time but we do have a say in Europe and much of the legislation is to everyone’s benefit including ours.


4 -Identity/Sovereignty. My husband refers to himself as being English. He was born and raised in Britain but calls himself English. We live in Wales where most people call themselves Welsh and believe me the Scots have no problem with their identity. We speak English and have the Queens image on our Sterling. Around the world people who have never set foot in Ireland wreath themselves in Shamrock and dance like electrocuted eels on St. Patrick's day! Digest this weekends celebrations of the Queens birthday or watch the last night of the Proms.
That one simply does not hold water. There is no issue with identity.


The UK is an island nation. It is a proud and despite the general air of gloom and doom, a prosperous country. Should we cut ourselves adrift from Europe then I have no doubt the consequences would be disastrous. However…..we live in a democracy and we do have a choice. I must admit that the trend seems to be to leave and I actually expect this to be the result.

It's not the person, Ie Marx who has the idea but rather the benefits of the idea itself.

[wales01man]

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To sum this thread up Whatever the subject was its now forgotten by me at least it has turned into a slanging match between some posters with a few words telling us how bad things will become if we vote leave including mass loss of jobs and huge rises in cost of food and everything else?
One question I have is where is the proof all this doom and gloom will happen apart from a few telling us most of those being Politicians who we all trust to tell the truth and give us the facts, I am so glad I have a sense of humour

[enaid]

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I have to go now -to the supermarket to get subsidised English butter and Milk, French Brie and wine, Italian pasta and, god help us all, German sausage. Might even go wild and get some Belgian chocolate. While I still can that is. i.e. before my Husband looses his job and the cheating UK government slap an import duty of 10% on everything and they will, believe me!

I am a lover of Chedder cheese, Cadburys chocolate, don't like pasta or any kind of sausage and I must say there are some very pleasant English wines out there.
Being a rum drinker I also feel I support our navy and the Carribean lol

[PAWS]

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I am a lover of Chedder cheese, Cadburys chocolate, don't like pasta or any kind of sausage and I must say there are some very pleasant English wines out there.
Being a rum drinker I also feel I support our navy and the Carribean lol

Can't argue with any of that! Actually, I don't like European sausage (well, not the ones you get in the supermarket anyway!) love a British bangger though.

[wales01man]

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I like NZ lamp eating it now actually but I don't want them to rule this country

[PAWS]

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I hope you mean lamb -otherwise you should be on Britains got Talent! Ah, now you should be eating Welsh lamb. I think most of them have fattened themselves up in my garden the little b****rs!

[wales01man]

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meant lamb welsh lamb don't taste the same

[PAWS]

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meant lamb welsh lamb don't taste the same

Actually I have to agree. Love the old NZ lamb.