NEW MONEY CLAIM FORMS / MCOL / HMCTS / Court Claim

**Amethyst** · 15th September 2018, 12:57:PM

To Respond to a claim issued through the new system you should go to

https://www.gov.uk/respond-money-claim

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This then takes you to page where you can enter your claim number

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IF the claim is on the new system it will take you to the next page, however if your claim was initially brought through the old system it will take you to the old Moneyclaims.gov.uk homepage.

**Amethyst** · 15th September 2018, 13:10:PM

IGNORE - just background stuff

https://www.gov.uk/service-standard-...ey-claims-beta

I've asked GDS if they have Guidance for Defendants.

http://www.foundation.org.uk/Events/...cland-Hood.pdf

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/int...065556.article

https://assets.publishing.service.go...e_May_2018.pdf

**GBExile** · 15th September 2018, 23:05:PM

Quite threatening in there appearance.

**Amethyst** · 16th September 2018, 12:30:PM

First Draft for Claimants.... working on Defendants now.... I have kept it simple, as it is simple .... too simple IMO.... not sure how much I should push home the ' don't do this on a whim it's a legal claim and has consequences ' point... I can see some utterly awful claims coming through.

This is just to show people the process, it's not a full guide for claimants for bringing a court claim....

moneyclaim guidance claimants.pdf (1.65 MB )

COMMENTS EXCEEDINGLY WELCOME. EVEN IF IT'S THAT IT'S RUBBISH

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( added another page as I go through defence process - attached - will put it all to one doc when it's all done )

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**MIKE770** · 16th September 2018, 12:37:PM

in case of SHIT:- download.jpg use plain side only

**Amethyst** · 16th September 2018, 12:51:PM

haha you caught me....

**Amethyst** · 3rd December 2018, 12:34:PM

I'm wondering whether somewhere in the background they have changed the CPR or got some specific CPR for these new claims.... the first claim we've actually gone through to a hearing with that was brought on the new system ended up with the Judge saying that case law didn't apply in 'this kind of court' …. plus the Acknowledgement of Service part of the new system doesn't even mention 'Acknowledgement' just asks if you want an extra 14 days... have they simply over dumbed it down ? or have they invented some kind of new Judge Judy type court without actually telling anyone ?

The claimant has to list documents …. can you still ask for those documents under CPR 31.14 or something else?

or am I just not liking change? lol

Originally posted by GDS

In the next 18 months we will.......... Expand our online civil money claims service – and the legal representatives’ version of it - so it can be used by everyone. We will continue to add sections to the service, building it out so that in time it supports cases going to hearing as well as those settling beforehand (which will also allow us to operate paperless civil courts).

Our next step will be to build further stages of the system, allowing more online negotiation and settlement; upload of evidence; giving judges the facility to decide cases ‘on the digital papers’ but also to ask questions and seek clarification from parties; and also providing the digital underpinnings for cases going to and through hearings.

**GBExile** · 3rd December 2018, 22:27:PM

I would have thought the reason the process/forms were changed was so all of these payday loans cases were actually initiated at court with the full set of docs to substantiate their case. .

Imagine how much its costing the courts to deal with all this rubbish.pointless & then abandoned cases for £30? Its costing the courts money on the amount of abandoned claims.

**R0b** · 3rd December 2018, 23:13:PM

I really think that judge got it completely wrong in that case Ame.

As far as I can gather, PD51R seems to be the appropriate rules on the new online system.

Paragraph 5A suggests the criteria which seems to fit with the initial list of questions you have to answer before filing a claim on the new site.

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/pr...-court-pilot#2

**Amethyst** · 3rd December 2018, 23:50:PM

Thanks Rob - it's all very much aimed at settlement or "sent out of the online court" isn't it so basically as soon as it's defended and mediation fails it's back to 'normal' court.

Oscillations case is playing on my mind - the judgment was just wrong. We don't lose and I can't see anything we did wrong - I suppose as he said after, the judge just took against him. It's worrying for other cases on similar lines primarily because of the 'doesn't apply in this court' comment and I'd hate to send someone else in with a similar interfamilial dispute on similar grounds and see them lose too because we wrote it off as a narkey Judge.

**Amethyst** · 3rd December 2018, 23:57:PM

Originally posted by GBExile View Post

I would have thought the reason the process/forms were changed was so all of these payday loans cases were actually initiated at court with the full set of docs to substantiate their case. .

Imagine how much its costing the courts to deal with all this rubbish.pointless & then abandoned cases for £30? Its costing the courts money on the amount of abandoned claims.

That's the hope eventually - at the moment bulk issuers still use the original system - the preaction procedure for debt claims was meant to sort some of it out but it simply doesn't - if a debtor responds with anything other than settlement or "seeking advice" - they just bung a court claim in on day 30 - and of course as they discontinue or get settled before a court hearing majority of the time there's absolutely sod all consequence for them.

Feeling a bit ranty today sorry lol xx

**R0b** · 4th December 2018, 08:17:AM

Originally posted by Amethyst View Post

Thanks Rob - it's all very much aimed at settlement or "sent out of the online court" isn't it so basically as soon as it's defended and mediation fails it's back to 'normal' court.

Oscillations case is playing on my mind - the judgment was just wrong. We don't lose and I can't see anything we did wrong - I suppose as he said after, the judge just took against him. It's worrying for other cases on similar lines primarily because of the 'doesn't apply in this court' comment and I'd hate to send someone else in with a similar interfamilial dispute on similar grounds and see them lose too because we wrote it off as a narkey Judge.

Yes that's true, although be careful there are also online county court pilots in selected areas and is by invitation only but not mandatory and I think you have to be legally represented to at least qualify - see CPR 51S

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/pr...t-online-pilot

As for oscillation's case that is deeply worrying but I don't think we have heard back from him have we? He's not replied since giving us an update so we don't know the full details and his time is running out to appeal. Unfortunately, as you will know, there is no way of rescinding absurd decisions other than by way of appeal.

**BigJ** · 6th August 2021, 06:58:AM

As this seems to have moved beyond a trial and I've unfortunately got examples of these documents, is there a way I can help with this guide?

Regards, John

**curiousgirl** · 19th May 2022, 15:19:PM

Hi! Any idea about how to serve evidence on the other part before the hearing? Do I need to complete any form with it? Thank you!

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