Help me with my case Im innocent and getting guilty verdicts left and right!?

[islandgirl]

The trial info does not make sense. 5 judges? If it is magistrates it is 3. If actual judges (in wigs etc) it is just 1 (with a jury of 12 potentially)
A no comment interview does not really damage your defence - however not speaking up in court obviously would.
I would not see this going to Crown Court - more likely to stay in mags unless the defendant chose jury trial.
From the description it sounds like you were found guilty and the judge / mag has ordered a pre-sentence report
You will come back for sentencing once the report is done. This is not a re-trial. You will not be able to put any evidence to the court.
I assume you then want to appeal the conviction?
I am very confused by what has happened thus far from the descriptions.
What does the solicitor say will happen?

[8t8y89]

The trial info does not make sense. 5 judges? If it is magistrates it is 3. If actual judges (in wigs etc) it is just 1 (with a jury of 12 potentially)
A no comment interview does not really damage your defence - however not speaking up in court obviously would.
I would not see this going to Crown Court - more likely to stay in mags unless the defendant chose jury trial.
From the description it sounds like you were found guilty and the judge / mag has ordered a pre-sentence report
You will come back for sentencing once the report is done. This is not a re-trial. You will not be able to put any evidence to the court.
I assume you then want to appeal the conviction?
I am very confused by what has happened thus far from the descriptions.
What does the solicitor say will happen?

I dont kno how it works at all the people in there seemed very professional not like civilians rounded up, but non had wigs either

So yea i think its an appeal of the guilty sentence

I was given bad advice on staying silent during court lol thats the only reason im probably falsely convicted

[PallasAthena]

I am also confused about what has happened so far and what court you were at.

But as far as I can make out a court has convicted you of assault but you have not yet been sentenced. The Probation service is going to prepare a report for the court and you will be then go back to court and be told the sentence.

It is too late now for you to tell the court all the things you have put in your defence statement that you posted on this thread. The court has already found you guilty. The only thing they still have to do is tell you what punishment they are going to give you. They will not let you argue that you should not have been convicted.

After you have been sentenced you might be able to bring an appeal. Then you would be able to raise the things you have put in your statement on this thread.

I don't know if your appeal would succeed. You need to see a solicitor who has all the details of what has happened so far. They can advise whether any appeal is likely to be successful.

[8t8y89]

so ive been abused by my mother since childhood she hurt my eyes and penis physically and had angry eyes when i was a child (i had angry eyes as a very small at a school copying her , and as a child and went crazy with anger over babies on TV) and she got gruff men to stare me out and intimidate me etc so I dont look up much and may not have seen the wigs or judges

I wonder if my mum can be done for perverting the course of justice now she was caught out lying on video in court?

[PallasAthena]

I have no further advice to give but just wanted to say how awful your experience was as a child. Writing it down for this thread must have brought it all back to you. You might find it helpful to get professional support. Your GP would be the starting point.

[islandgirl]

I agree. You need help from your solicitor regarding the case. It sounds to me like it was a magistrates case - there will have been 3 ordinarily dressed "judges" on the day. You will return for sentencing. If you tell me EXACTLY what the charge was we can look at potential sentences via the guidelines. If you believe you were wrongly convicted you can appeal. This goes to Crown Court and is heard by a Judge and 2 magistrates. I sit on a Crown Court panel so can tell you more if you need general information. The case would be fully re-heard by the judge and the magistrates.

[Manxman]

I agree that the OP seems to have been convicted of assault in some form and is now awaiting a pre-sentencing hearing and report.

There is no re-trial.

I also suspect that the OP is labouring under the misapprehension that if he received bad legal advice then that forms a valid defence.

While there is a defence of "ineffective counsel" in the US, I'm not aware of one in England...


(I suspect he's also hopelessly confused about a court drawing an "adverse inference" from a defendant's silence and the possibilty of having a good "adverse interference"(?) defence )



[Edit: I also wonder whether the OP would qualify as a vulnerable adult and whether the police should have called for an "appropriate adult" to assist him understanding what was happening]

[8t8y89]

I agree that the OP seems to have been convicted of assault in some form and is now awaiting a pre-sentencing hearing and report.

There is no re-trial.

I also suspect that the OP is labouring under the misapprehension that if he received bad legal advice then that forms a valid defence.

While there is a defence of "ineffective counsel" in the US, I'm not aware of one in England...


(I suspect he's also hopelessly confused about a court drawing an "adverse inference" from a defendant's silence and the possibilty of having a good "adverse interference"(?) defence )



[Edit: I also wonder whether the OP would qualify as a vulnerable adult and whether the police should have called for an "appropriate adult" to assist him understanding what was happening]

I did a legal self defense , i did not break the law how could I possibly be found guilty?

1) silence in court

2) a possible adverse inference (although i feel my case is strong here)

I just cannot believe its so retarded that they can convict an innocent man, and x2 guilty him

I will go to a 3rd trial as well if I can

it really shows the injustice and incompetence of the system , its like an algorithm, if you didnt fit the algorithm u are guilty its not about evidence / beyond reasonable doubt / innocent before PROVEN guilty

the outcome of a trial shouldn't depend on you proficiency at law, i dont want to study law and u shouldnt have to,

probably money is also another obvious injustice ie paying someone to be proficient at law for u

then they seem to be selective about evidence ie bias and unreasonable about the date of the evidence

then it may come down to the emotions of the judge (stats show this to be true)



What more people should do is get found guilty on purpose (if they have hard evidence) then give hard evidence to prove innocence , if lots of people do this, you can show the legal system as it is

[8t8y89]

If I film someone stabbing someone else with a knife a year ago and give it as evidence for a knife self defense case they will tell me/ you that that cannot be used as evidence because its not the date of the crime and not a previous conviction

[8t8y89]

I agree that the OP seems to have been convicted of assault in some form and is now awaiting a pre-sentencing hearing and report.

There is no re-trial.

I also suspect that the OP is labouring under the misapprehension that if he received bad legal advice then that forms a valid defence.

While there is a defence of "ineffective counsel" in the US, I'm not aware of one in England...


(I suspect he's also hopelessly confused about a court drawing an "adverse inference" from a defendant's silence and the possibilty of having a good "adverse interference"(?) defence )



[Edit: I also wonder whether the OP would qualify as a vulnerable adult and whether the police should have called for an "appropriate adult" to assist him understanding what was happening]

So there's lots of reasons why adverse inference applies (or doesnt) to me and my case, I just havent put it on here thats just my account of what happened

Law is another subject like biology, it seems you are trolling me or expecting me to be good at biology on day 3

[islandgirl]

You have been convicted once. You will now be sentenced. You can appeal. I think you were found guilty by 3 magistrates rather than a judge although I am not sure. You have the right to appeal and a good solicitor will make sure your case is properly heard.

[8t8y89]

You have been convicted once. You will now be sentenced. You can appeal. I think you were found guilty by 3 magistrates rather than a judge although I am not sure. You have the right to appeal and a good solicitor will make sure your case is properly heard.

My mother came into the court room on video and got caught out in a lie, does that mean shes guilty of perverting the course of justice? She tried to say I had a knife/ was walking around with a knife

[8t8y89]

It feels like the judges are the criminals and the bad guys now. Because im literally innocent. They are people I looked up to for their rare high level of morality. They are meant to be the good guys.

Now it feels like I have to submit to an abuser (the courts they have power over me and at the same time are doing me unjust harm. Its a twisted feeling.




So to me it seems like the whole thing hinges on adverse inference???

Maybe being cross examined in court over my account of what happened?

What does the appeal hinge on guys?

[PallasAthena]

What does the appeal hinge on guys

Sorry but this is not something we are going to be able to help you with.

You need to get a solicitor with criminal law experience who can review everything that has happened and all the court documents.

They can tell you whether an appeal might succeed and represent you at an appeal hearing.

[8t8y89]

Mood of the judge ? If im good looking or not?