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Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

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    started a topic Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011


    PHOENIX RECOVERIES (UK) LTD SARL v DEVENDRA KOTECHA (2011)

    CA (Civ Div) (Thorpe LJ, Lloyd LJ, Patten LJ) 26/1/2011
    CONSUMER LAW
    CONSUMER CREDIT : CREDIT CARDS : CREDITORS' POWERS AND DUTIES : REGULATED AGREEMENTS : CREDITOR'S COMPLIANCE WITH DEBTOR'S REQUEST FOR COPY OF REGULATED CREDIT AGREEMENT : ENTITLEMENT TO ENFORCE DEBT : CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974 : s.78(1) CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974 : s.78(6) CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974

    A creditor had failed to satisfy a debtor's request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 s.78(1) for a copy of a credit card agreement as it had not, on the evidence, included the original, actual terms and conditions in respect of interest rates then in force. The creditor was, accordingly, not entitled to proceed to enforce the debt under s.78(6).

    The appellant (K) appealed against a decision of the judge allowing a claim by the respondent company (P) for amounts due under a credit card agreement. That agreement, which was regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974, had been entered into by K and a bank (B) in 1998. K was then issued with a credit card which he used extensively. B subsequently merged with another bank (H) and H took over B's credit card business. In 2007, K made a request under s.78(1) of the Act for a copy of the credit card agreement. H supplied an incomplete version and following K's further request it sent a copy of what it contended were the terms and conditions incorporated into the agreement. K disputed whether that version of the terms and conditions was correct. H later sent a default notice and issued proceedings against K, alleging that he was in breach of the agreement. H then assigned the claim to P, who was substituted as a party. K, then acting in person, defended the action on the ground that, because the s.78(1) request was not complied with, P could not enforce the agreement pursuant to s.78(6) of the Act. The judge found, on the balance of probabilities, that the appropriate records had been supplied by P. She therefore held that P had satisfied the s.78(1) request and that it was not precluded from enforcing the debt. K contended that there was no credible evidence that the documents set out as evidence by P were the same as those which had been used in the agreement between him and B. He submitted, inter alia, that a scanned copy of B's leaflet inviting him to apply for the credit card clearly set out an annual percentage rate (APR) of 9.9 per cent for balance transfers, reverting to 16.9 per cent after six months, and 18.7 per cent APR for cash withdrawals, whereas by contrast the terms and conditions given in evidence by P sent out in terms rates of 20.9 per cent APR for balance transfers and 22.8 per cent for cash withdrawals. It was accepted that that point had not been before the judge, although it was discernible from the papers.

    HELD: Interest rates were a term of central importance in credit card agreements. There was a strong case that the interest charges which would have been specified in the terms and conditions when B and K made the agreement in 1998 were those in the leaflet and not those which appeared in P's evidence. Under s.78(1), a creditor was required to set out the actual, original terms and conditions of the agreement at the time it was made. In those circumstances, P had not proved that that obligation was satisfied, and it was therefore not entitled to progress to enforce the debt against K under s.78(6).

    Appeal allowed
    Counsel:
    For the appellant: Kelly Pennifer
    For the respondent: Guy Sims

    Solicitors:
    For the appellant: Watsons (Llandudno)
    For the respondent: Weightmans LLP (Liverpool)




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  • MIKE770
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    very old thread start a new one for response please

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  • brass
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    I know this is an old thread but I am researching s127 (pre 2007) and wondered about this Kotecha case.
    sl27(3) provides, in relation to agreements made before 6 April 2007, as follows:
    "The Court shall not make an enforcement order under s 65(1) if section 61(1) (a) (signing of agreements) was not complied with unless a document (whether or not in the prescribed form and complying with regulations under s60(l)) itself containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor ..(whether or not in the prescribed manner)."
    I know the case was decided upon the interest rate discrepancy but Kotecha was a 1998 agreement. so IF the creditor had not been able to find a scan of a SIGNED application (allbeit with reconstituted terms) then the agreement would have been unenforceable anyway under s127, correct?
    I have been given a so called reconstituted agreement for an agreement supposedly for a card taken out in Nov 1996 but does not have my signature. Is this therefore unenforceable just because it is before 2007 and does not bear my signature? I believe the reconstituted copy does have all the other criteria though.
    Finally, is there a way of telling roughly when an agreement was complied....ie are there any give away signs.?

    ALSO. If the court finds in favour of the defendant and the agreement does not comply with the CCA 1974 , can the defendant counterclaim for all monies already paid to the claimant.

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  • brass
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    I know this is an old thread but I am researching s127 (pre 2007) and wondered about this Kotecha case.
    sl27(3) provides, in relation to agreements made before 6 April 2007, as follows:

    "The Court shall not make an enforcement order under s 65(1) if section 61(1) (a) (signing of agreements) was not complied with unless a document (whether or not in the prescribed form and complying with regulations under s60(l)) itself containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor ..(whether or not in the prescribed manner)."

    I know the case was decided upon the interest rate discrepancy but Kotecha was a 1998 agreement. so IF the creditor had not been able to find a scan of a SIGNED application (allbeit with reconstituted terms) then the agreement would have been unenforceable anyway under s127, correct?

    I have been given a so called reconstituted agreement for an agreement supposedly for a card taken out in Nov 1996 but does not have my signature. Is this therefore unenforceable just because it is before 2007 and does not bear my signature? I believe the reconstituted copy does have all the other criteria though.

    Finally, is there a way of telling roughly when an agreement was complied....ie are there any give away signs.?

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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by pt2537 View Post
    yup i emailed Joe at BAILII this morning

    were sending him some more judgments to put up too, to hopefully provide more assistance
    Thanks Paul :heh:

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  • Nibbler
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by pt2537 View Post
    yup i emailed Joe at BAILII this morning

    were sending him some more judgments to put up too, to hopefully provide more assistance
    Good. I saw your comment about some more cases coming, and hoped they would go up as well.

    Thanks.

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  • pt2537
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by Nibbler View Post
    yup i emailed Joe at BAILII this morning

    were sending him some more judgments to put up too, to hopefully provide more assistance

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  • Nibbler
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Now up there on Bailii

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2011/105.html

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  • pt2537
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by dad View Post
    Pt,

    I note the judgmnent calls for counsel's submissions on the consequences. Has your counsel made their submissions?

    If not I have some pointers for them if I could send them to you by PM.

    Dad
    yes they did and the order has been made,

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  • dad
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Pt,

    I note the judgmnent calls for counsel's submissions on the consequences. Has your counsel made their submissions?

    If not I have some pointers for them if I could send them to you by PM.

    Dad

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  • Ihaterbs
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by pt2537 View Post
    Well, the interest rate point hadnt been raised until the appeal court,

    So , the judges took the view that issue estoppel didnt arise as there had been no actual adjudication on that point,

    however if it had been tried and the judge still found that it was enforceable then they have had their bite of the cherry
    Thanks. Link below explains.


    Res Judicata

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  • pt2537
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by Ihaterbs View Post
    Which was?.... excuse my ignorance.
    Well, the interest rate point hadnt been raised until the appeal court,

    So , the judges took the view that issue estoppel didnt arise as there had been no actual adjudication on that point,

    however if it had been tried and the judge still found that it was enforceable then they have had their bite of the cherry

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  • Ihaterbs
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by pt2537 View Post
    yes, the fact was that the defendant hadnt taken the point with the lower court judge,

    Had it been tried then the appeal judges were clear on the johnson v gorewood point from their discussions with both counsel
    Which was?.... excuse my ignorance.

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  • pt2537
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by Ihaterbs View Post
    I think this applies for this judgment only and wouldn't be allowed if the claimant failed to rectify a sec 78 breach before trial at county court level.
    yes, the fact was that the defendant hadnt taken the point with the lower court judge,

    Had it been tried then the appeal judges were clear on the johnson v gorewood point from their discussions with both counsel

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  • Ihaterbs
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    Re: Phoenix Recoveries v Kotecha Jan 2011

    Originally posted by basa48 View Post
    Maybe, but 24 / 25 not so much:
    I think this applies for this judgment only and wouldn't be allowed if the claimant failed to rectify a sec 78 breach before trial at county court level.

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