That referendum ...

[Openlaw15]

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Fresh fields

I am no expert on the American healthcare system but I am told there is Medicare and Medicaid . One is the one that provides insurance based services, the other is the safety net. The care provided in the safety net is incredibly inferior in scope and detail to the best insurance based care. This clearly provides for huge inequalities between rich and poor.

National insurance was intended to be just that in the uk, an insurance that working people paid to cover health, pensions etc and also unemployment benefit, these different benefits came along at different times. At its inception the government envisaged the NHS would improve the health of the nation and hence costs reduce. They also envisaged full employment . Neither of these things happened. I could go on but it's kinda off topic although maybe not if the Tories get their way.

I will ill try to bring the sun back with me, we have thunderstorms forecast for Friday.

The health system in the USA according to my understanding, is essentially a transfer from a privatised system for many years up to recently, for its 300 million population, to a more publically controlled one albeit all are worse off. I have spoken to medical doctors on certain internet forums and normal workers, all of whom tell me they are all detrimentally affected one way or another. I believe that it is now very expensive for the average American in that they pay a sum each week or month from their wages, more than they did before the health's system reform under Obama. The US media calls anything that challenges Obama racist. A black person dies, it's a race crime presumption; a white person dies it doesn't normally reach the headlines. The police are involved with a black person, it's police corruption.

The poor have coverage under the new US health system even though they did under the old system, according to the US Doctors, other medical staff in US hospitals. It may have been a little more complicated, but medical emergencies for operations etc would have been available, as I understand it. For years health benefits etc were mainly attached to the job ie until the recent Obama reforms. Now, it appears the average worker is far worse off under the new Obama reforms by having to pay more. To visit their equivalent GP they have to pay separately. However, for the poor there is apparently free treatment. The US health system is plagued by government targets, US law suit problems so it costs medical doctors etc more in medical insurance premiums, according to the US doctors. In short, the US medical system is complex and US citizens are branded by the media as hating the poor or being racist, according the general consensus of the persons I was in dialogue with.

[enaid]

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Blimey, thanks Ame for that info.
When the boss was asked why he had so many EU workers he never mentioned any of that , surprise, surprise, he said we NEED bakers.
Having seen the 'bakers' at work one would ask what qualifications you would need to squirt jam into pastry cases as they go along a conveyor belt, but hey ho, got me head on again

[Amethyst]

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Just wondering and don't need a blasting why are 2/3 EU workers? are they not on the minimum wage ? the factory is not too far from me and so I do know the local unemployment situation, 175,000 in the North West. Is it so bad the Brits will not do factory work any more? I am at a loss
Maybe it's the hairnets who knows but to me it is just not right

They will be on the minimum wage yes. Many of them will be full time and working shifts/unsocial hours - long days, repetitive work, maybe some on short term zero hours contracts so they can go in and out at peak periods etc.

There's only one review of working there on GlassDoor

Supervisor on nights does not want to train you up only keeps you on for eight weeks no job prospects at all

So I suspect that tells the story.

Job Advert for Bakery Operatives at Greenhalghs...

We are currently recruiting for Bakery Operatives (Days). You will be required to work 5 days a week between Monday and Saturday (inclusive). Start time will be 6am and your average shift would last approximately 8,5 hours, however as production levels may vary on a daily basis, you will have to be flexible with your working hours. You will work as a part of the team to achieve production requirements on the daily basis, ensuring that all work is undertaken in accordance with the Company procedures to meet product quality standards. Good spoken and written communication skills and previous experience in food manufacturing environment are required. Please note that this position will be offered on temporary contract basis.

[Crazy council]

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I think the french will act like the french always have, but all nations must be looking at the nearly 1million refugees wanting to get into europe. Maybe, this will give Germany the chance to negotiate better. France is just bitter, looks like the USA is backing the UK up a bit.

I dont really get that power station deal [MENTION=141]enaid[/MENTION], when i have looked at it, it doesn't look like that good a deal for the consumer eventually. I think nuclear is the way forward, just not sure that its large scale that the way. I think, ther eis some agreement on the price per MW produced/charged to the public.

[enaid]

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I really don't think it was working for all, just a chosen few, I think France will be next and then who knows.
No way will they back down to anything we ask for, listening to the french environment minister this morning she said we have had too much of our own way already.
She also said the deal with EDF for the new nuclear power plant will still go ahead as that was not anything to do with the EU, hope she wasn't lying.

[Crazy council]

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I know they are putting a positive spin on things but I do think they also need to be realistic!
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I am very much opposed to the break up but have been keeping an eye on the numbers were i can ,its very hard because very few involved give reference to either the data or the time length that there measuring over. A good example was the value of the pound fluctuations over the past few days, and how that was reported.

I have to say, after all the over inflated rubbish spouted by both sides, not only arnt things that bad, but, maybe the EU wasnt working. We just need the right polotitians to pull it off. For other reasons, Not Liam Fox, to many skeletons in his closet, That mp Hunt seems quite competent, I think to many teachers hate grove fro him to do it.

Obviously, in my delusional outlook for the future, General election asap, David Milliband for labour, country changes its mind, swings back into the EU club like going back to an ex missus, tells them its there fault for antagonizing the British

[enaid]

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I agree it has been quite scary tbh, but then not as scary as the motley crew going forward to take over spineless Cameron's job.
Boris, Ms May, J Hunt, S Crabb thus far do not trust any of them to do what must be done.

M Gove, only going for it cause he said Boris is not up to it lol and Liam Fox now is he a closet tartan terror

[PAWS]

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I know they are putting a positive spin on things but I do think they also need to be realistic!
BTW-I just wanted to say, I made the point about homosexuality to highlight the fact that our perception of mental illness changes and is often flawed. This was in the context of who should have a vote. I did not expect it to be a point of debate. Just like if I mention Peter Gabriel I would hope it would not lead to someone mentioning Genesis which in turn would lead to a big argument over Big Bang theory versus two hippies and a talking snake!

[enaid]

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Sorry saw this and thought you'd ALL like it

Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!" ��

They have also been ordered to get new boots

[Celestine]

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Sorry saw this and thought you'd ALL like it

Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!" ��

[enaid]

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Just wondering and don't need a blasting why are 2/3 EU workers? are they not on the minimum wage ? the factory is not too far from me and so I do know the local unemployment situation, 175,000 in the North West. Is it so bad the Brits will not do factory work any more? I am at a loss
Maybe it's the hairnets who knows but to me it is just not right

[enaid]

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I agree it has been quite scary tbh, but then not as scary as the motley crew going forward to take over spineless Cameron's job.
Boris, Ms May, J Hunt, S Crabb thus far do not trust any of them to do what must be done.

[Amethyst]

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There does feel to be a concerted effort on the Beeb now to get positive stories out there ( thank goodness - all the misery and doom was starting to do my head in). Just need to send the 'positive thinking' memo over to Twitter and FB now.

[enaid]

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From what's been said this morning and probably earlier EU says we can't have the single market a la carte.
Who ate all the pies ? well Greenhalgh's made a lot of em, voted out and their staff is 2/3 EU workers, stated they want more freedom.

[EXC]

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Soooo here's a handy guide of the leadership election rules.

Conservatives

The Tories’ process for picking a leader is twofold: Conservative MPs narrow the field to two choices, before a postal ballot of the wider membership of the party is conducted.

The Chairman of the 1922 Committee, which represents Conservative MPs, acts as the returning officer for leadership elections. Graham Brady is currently serving in this post. The Conservative Whip (currently Michael Gove) receives nominations from members of the House of Commons, and the deadline is noon “on a Thursday”.

If one nomination is received, the new leader is declared elected. If two nominations are made, both names go forward for the members of the party to decide between. In the event that three or more MPs are nominated for leader, a ballot of Conservative MPs is held “on the Tuesday immediately following the closing date for nominations”. The ballot is held under the first past the post system. If MPs are choosing between four or more candidates, the candidate with the lowest number of votes is eliminated and further ballots are held on subsequent Thursdays and Tuesdays until only two MPs remain.

The wider membership of the Conservative party then chooses between these two MPs, with the vote being held via a postal ballot. The returning officer chooses the date by which ballots have to be returned and the count begins at noon that day. The result is announced at a meeting of the parliamentary party and “representative members”.

Labour

The Labour Party has changed its procedures for electing its leader since the election of Ed Miliband. The next election will use the “one member one vote” (OMOV) system, where all Labour members, affiliated supporters and registered supporters shall have one vote of equal value. This marks a change from the electoral college system used in previous elections where three equally weighted blocs determined the outcome: Labour MPs and MEPs, party members, and members of trade unions and affiliated socialist societies. Under this system, Ed Miliband polled fewer votes in the MP & MEP and party membership blocs but was narrowly able to win due to the strength of his support amongst the trade unions.

In order to run for leader, an MP must be nominated by 15 per cent of the party’s sitting MPs – a small increase from the previous requirement of 12.5 per cent. As an example, the party currently has 256 MPs so an MP would need to be nominated by 39 of his or her peers to run for leader at present.

The precise timings of the process are determined by the party’s National Executive Committee, which has representatives from the parliamentary party, constituency parties, trade unions, socialist societies and party sections such as Young Labour.

Labour’s general secretary, currently Iain McNicol, acts as returning officer for the party. A legal adviser and “independent scrutineer”, both appointed by the general secretary, also play a role in the process. The election is held using AV, with voters ranking candidates in order of preference and their votes being counted and redistributed until a candidate reaches the quota of 50 per cent + 1 votes. The result is announced at a session of the party’s conference.

http://www.westminsteradvisers.co.uk...hip-elections/