Alcoholism discussion

[Openlaw15]

Being an alcoholic is no defence as such as there are many high functioning alcoholics who hold down good jobs and great responsibility. Were the company aware of the alcohol dependancy and depression?

Many alcoholics hold down good jobs, you say. The late Charles Kennedy as an alcoholic held down a high functioning job but everyone knew he was an alcoholic So yes, they may hold down high functioning jobs but not all could remotely, they're a bit obvious. 1) they stink of booze, 2). they shake, 3) their reactions are slower than a tortoise, 3). they soil their trousers..they stick of urine. I think you're thinking of someone who likes too many drinks....not alcoholics...who would drink mentholated spirit.

[Linus]

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That is possibly the most appalling and ill informed definition I have heard from someone who claims to have a good education
You do not seem to even understand the definition of an alcoholic, an alcoholic is someone who is dependant on alcohol, it may be that they need small quantities of alcohol to get going in a morning but doesn't make them incapable or soiling themselves

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/alcohol...ol-dependence/

I do not necessarily agree with AA definition of an alcoholic by the way

Many alcoholics hold down good jobs, you say. The late Charles Kennedy as an alcoholic held down a high functioning job but everyone knew he was an alcoholic So yes, they may hold down high functioning jobs but not all could remotely, they're a bit obvious. 1) they stink of booze, 2). they shake, 3) their reactions are slower than a tortoise, 3). they soil their trousers..they stick of urine. I think you're thinking of someone who likes too many drinks....not alcoholics...who would drink mentholated spirit.

[Openlaw15]

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That is possibly the most appalling and ill informed definition I have heard from someone who claims to have a good education
You do not seem to even understand the definition of an alcoholic, an alcoholic is someone who is dependant on alcohol, it may be that they need small quantities of alcohol to get going in a morning but doesn't make them incapable or soiling themselves

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/alcohol...ol-dependence/

I do not necessarily agree with AA definition of an alcoholic by the way

If you want me to get technical...have it your way.

"In society, there is potential for certain individuals and/or groups to participate in drug-taking or alcohol misuse and this could lead to addiction. Addiction is described as habitual “drug-taking behaviour which is repeated over a significant period” (Morgan, K. 2007). This view is held by the medical model, which believes addiction to be a disease exhibited by a permanent physical condition, reliant upon medication for its control. In addition, within the disease model the terms tolerance, withdrawal and craving are similarly associated (O’ Brien (2005) et al.). Craving in this drug context is more of an informal medical expression used to indicate an uncontrollable urge to take drugs. Tolerance in contrast is characterised by a physiological change in the body of the drug-user and its response to drug dose. For example, initially the drug user requires a certain level of dose to ‘get high.’ However subsequently, usually after several hits, that same high requires more intake of the drug to obtain the original high or reward (ibid O’Brien (2005)).

Withdrawal, on the other-hand, is based on the notion that pain is evident when withholding from taking the drug (Morgan, K., 2007). In practice with the drug-user’s body having become already conditioned to the effects of the drug, the physiological symptoms start kicking in, making it problematic to quit the habit (op cit, O’Brien, 2005)."

[wales01man]

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Alcoholism nay by some be called a disease strange that you need money to buy this disease

[charitynjw]

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Alcoholism nay by some be called a disease strange that you need money to buy this disease

AUD is listed in DSM-V (DSM-5)
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-he...-use-disorders

[wales01man]

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AUD is listed in DSM-V (DSM-5)
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-he...-use-disorders

My brother was a so called alcoholic when he had the money to by booze was normal when he had no money my mum died of cancer she did not go into a pub or shop to by it unlike my brother both died young a have no pity for anyone with a drink problem not when there is so much help out there this may not be liked by many but having seen both deaths I know which one I would treat first the one that's free and not the one you pay for

[Openlaw15]

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That is possibly the most appalling and ill informed definition I have heard from someone who claims to have a good education
You do not seem to even understand the definition of an alcoholic, an alcoholic is someone who is dependant on alcohol, it may be that they need small quantities of alcohol to get going in a morning but doesn't make them incapable or soiling themselves

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/alcohol...ol-dependence/

I do not necessarily agree with AA definition of an alcoholic by the way

It's a bit hard to have an academic view when Exc arbitrarily and unfairly deletes my technical post.

[Kati]

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It's a bit hard to have an academic view when Exc arbitrarily and unfairly deletes my technical post.

Actually OL ... it was me that moderated that post. I was hoping that the original OP's thread would not get sidetracked by another discussion. As it is, I've moved all the posts that aren't helping answer the original OP's question to a new thread here. Including the now unmoderated one!

K

[wales01man]

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Well done Kati any comments I make are not directed at other members but are my personal views on the subject please no one be offended by me .

I always say that for every problem or addiction someone has there is help available it should be sought first and last.

[des8]

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So far the comments on this thread are naturally made from personal observations and anecdotal reports.
For any who are really interesed in an in depth study of the condition, its possible causes and progression and prognosis I would suggest the World Health Organisation definition of terms as a good starting point.
It can be found here: http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/t...ho_lexicon/en/
It might give one an insight in how complex a problem alcoholism really is.

[Openlaw15]

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Actually OL ... it was me that moderated that post. I was hoping that the original OP's thread would not get sidetracked by another discussion. As it is, I've moved all the posts that aren't helping answer the original OP's question to a new thread here. Including the now unmoderated one!

K

Fair enough Kati, thanks, and apologies to Exc. I didn't realise you (Kati) moved the thread, which is a good idea actually.

[Kati]

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Fair enough Kati, thanks, and apologies to Exc. I didn't realise you (Kati) moved the thread, which is a good idea actually.

glad you agree

[wales01man]

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Complex? Buy your drink get drunk or top yourself up no money no drink no problem thats about as complex as it gets in my book Answer as always get the help that's out there not call the problem a disease that's an insult to all those with a disease like Cancer

[charitynjw]

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So far the comments on this thread are naturally made from personal observations and anecdotal reports.
For any who are really interesed in an in depth study of the condition, its possible causes and progression and prognosis I would suggest the World Health Organisation definition of terms as a good starting point.
It can be found here: http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/t...ho_lexicon/en/
It might give one an insight in how complex a problem alcoholism really is.

Erm................post #5?
:tung:

[Openlaw15]

Re: Alcoholism discussion

So far the comments on this thread are naturally made from personal observations and anecdotal reports.
For any who are really interesed in an in depth study of the condition, its possible causes and progression and prognosis I would suggest the World Health Organisation definition of terms as a good starting point.
It can be found here: http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/t...ho_lexicon/en/
It might give one an insight in how complex a problem alcoholism really is.

Well the extract I posted was from one of my psychology essays at university when I studied addiction.