The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

[leclerc]

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I agree
Do I want to be in a country run by Tories who will make things worse for us normal people who work hard and pay our taxes
I hope that lots of Scots do come out and vote to remain in as it might help the ins to win

Knowing the Scots they will all vote out thinking it will get them another referendum on independence

that's not the argument that is being given by the SNP and in that scenario would NOT trigger another referendum on independence.
Their position is clear and unambiguous. If the UK vote NO but the majority of people in Scotland voted YES to remain in the EU then there is a change which would potentially trigger another vote in that there would be a constitutional change.

As for the the rest: I am voting OUT of the EU. Thankfully, we are not alone in wanting to get out of the EU(see Dutch vote in regards to further closeness with Ukraine as an example).

[enaid]

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I also think others will follow, Germany want us in because as the highest contributor and us third after France I think they will have to put even more in the pot and doubt their public would like that. The open door and welcome to all soon went stale when reality hit.

[des8]

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How do you deduct that a referendum by the Dutch to reject closer ties with Ukraine is an indication that the Dutch want to leave the EU?
That's stretching it a bit.

[Guest]

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leclerc
I know that isn't what the SNP are saying, it is just that many of the electorate -both Scottish and English, not to mention Welsh and NI are not very bright. I also wonder if some will vote to leave thinking that the country can then get a better deal from the EU and we can have another referendum. Maybe what Obama said might have some sway

Des - did I miss something about the Ukraine ? Russia won't let the Ukraine join europe

[des8]

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Des - did I miss something about the Ukraine ? Russia won't let the Ukraine join europe

I was just questioning another's logic, not discussing Ukraine's aspiration to join EU as full member by 2020.
In Jan 2016 they became a member of the deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area with the EU.

I just wonder why going back to EFTA (which is basically what will happen if we leave) is considered A GOOD THING! (a la "1066 and all that")

[Guest]

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I see the post about Ukraine now

I can not see how going backwards could possibly be a good thing

If we leave , maybe we would start a break up of the eurozone and the EU

Wasn't one of the purposes on setting up the EEC to maintain peace and security -what will happen if it falls down

[Guest]

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Bless her, perhaps she had a cognitive impairment ?

She was certainly odd although having faith is not a sign of any impairment necessarily. Or am I the one who is cognitively impaired?

[Fred]

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With no EU membership.....................we get these as a starter bonus............

[LowEbb]

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She was certainly odd although having faith is not a sign of any impairment necessarily. Or am I the one who is cognitively impaired?

Her faith may be misjudged - her oddity may be down to an impairment - NO OFFENCE to you intended on my part. :tinysmile_twink_t2: x

[LowEbb]

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At the end of the day we don't need to be part of the EU. We haven't always been part of it, how did we cope before?

[des8]

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, how did we cope before?

Not as well as after joining.............
................ and the world has moved on

[Guest]

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No offence taken, tis a free world

Well no one has always been a member of the EU BUT the world has changed an awful lot since we joined the EEC
The Iron Curtain has fallen
China is more open to the West
There are no longer just two superpowers ( We weren't one of them)
Generally there has been a move to consolidation and regionalisation
We have little if no manufacturing capacity and what we do have is owned by foreign companies- nothing wrong in that but consider this

I run a major company with factories in Europe and the UK. I want to consolidate to save money, I can invest in the factory in say France that will give me access to the whole of the EU , or I can invest in the factory in Britain that can not guarantee me long lasting access to the European market, now which do I choose?

Think Toyota
Think Nissan
Think TATA steel - oh sorry they have gone
Think cadbury

Now lets think about a British company such as BP-

I can not find a single argument to persuade me that out is better than in, but I am open to ideas.

Yes I know out is an unknown can we afford the gamble?

[LowEbb]

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Yes the world has moved one .... that's why we have warnings from history.

[Guest]

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But what are the warnings from history?

Could one be that States that trade/compete generally do not go to war?

That the world has had generally sustained peace since 1945 , certainly not war on the scale of WW1 or 2 (depending on your definitions of war)

[charitynjw]

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But what are the warnings from history?

Could one be that States that trade/compete generally do not go to war?

That the world has had generally sustained peace since 1945 , certainly not war on the scale of WW1 or 2 (depending on your definitions of war)

Some well-connected multi-national private firms do extraordinarily well from the profits & the spoils of war.