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[judgemental24]

20 years as a Area Trade Union rep on full time release is my experience and i will agree such matters are normally decided on the business own disciplinary and grievance procedure

[Berniethebolt]

Re: is this discrimination???

20 years as a Area Trade Union rep on full time release is my experience and i will agree such matters are normally decided on the business own disciplinary and grievance procedure

Maybe we have just worked in different environments with different companies and different policies. I admit in 30 years I have only ever worked for 3 companies, two of them multi billion £ turnover multinationals and standing up to a manager was never a dismissable offence. Swearing and using offensive language was , as was refusing to comply with a reasonable request which was described as a request to do your job or something for health and safety .
While I think Thatcher did everyone a massive disservice by killing the unions, they did and some do need root and branch overhall because they are corrupt and built on personal power and empire building. What is the saying, absolute power corrupts absolutely

[judgemental24]

Re: is this discrimination???

Thatcher has not killed the Trade Unions, they now have 6 million members and growing

The Unions are still here, unlike that sorry excuse of a human being Thatcher, she has probably even poisoned the worms with her venom

[wales01man]

Re: is this discrimination???

Judgemental please change the record gets a bit tedious all this ranting about those you disagree with

[FlamingParrot]

Re: is this discrimination???

Judgemental please change the record gets a bit tedious all this ranting about those you disagree with

I guess it goes with the territory:

20 years as a Area Trade Union rep on full time release is my experience and i will agree such matters are normally decided on the business own disciplinary and grievance procedure

[Berniethebolt]

Re: is this discrimination???

Thatcher has not killed the Trade Unions, they now have 6 million members and growing

The Unions are still here, unlike that sorry excuse of a human being Thatcher, she has probably even poisoned the worms with her venom

If trade union membership is 6million that is half that of 1982 and if you think they are as strong as they used to be you are ,not just my opinion , deluded. Trade unions now have nothing like the power they once had nor the support. Let's face it not even the supposed socialist party of Blair and Brown did anything to help. Blair was possibly more right of centre than John major where economics were concerned.

By the way according to ONS there has been a fall of 10% fall in membership between 1995 till now, from roughly 35% to 25 % of the workforce. In raw numbers in 1979 there were something like 14 million members now only 6 million yet there are far more people employed. The ONS provides valid and reliable statistics.

[FlamingParrot]

Re: is this discrimination???

Thatcher has not killed the Trade Unions, they now have 6 million members and growing

The Unions are still here, unlike that sorry excuse of a human being Thatcher, she has probably even poisoned the worms with her venom

I've never been a big fan of the Iron Lady, however, one mustn't speak ill of the dead or so they say. In any case, that was 25 years ago. In many ways CaMoron seems even more radical than her, what with all the cuts everywhere, bedroom tax, employment tribunal fees, the demise of legal aid for most practical purposes... we are so far to the right that on a clear day you can see the Empire State building!

If trade union membership is 6million that is half that of 1982 and if you think they are as strong as they used to be you are ,not just my opinion , deluded. Trade unions now have nothing like the power they once had nor the support. Let's face it not even the supposed socialist party of Blair and Brown did anything to help. Blair was possibly more right of centre than John major where economics were concerned.

Indeed, New Labour were more Tory than some Tories. :rant: They were the ones who introduced the infamous tuition fees being discussed on another thread as well as the ones who allowed property prices to sky-rocket totally out of proportion with the average income as well as letting the banks run riot and then, following the US lead as usual, bailed them out. At least they had a Bushy Republican government over there so that's their excuse but what was Blair's?

[Garlok]

Re: is this discrimination???

I rarely read or post these days but there are issues here which need comment. Firstly I have been Labour all my life, my grandparents being founders of the Labour movement in the last century. However they are turning in their graves as to what is laughingly called the Labour movement of today. Their principles lay with those of probity and integrity like Clement Attlee, Ramsay MacDonald, Nye Bevan et al not the self serving creatures of today that infest that party. Yes in a past life I have been a trade unionist. However what we have today are NOT Trade Unions as such. They are merely power bases for public servants who are in fact an accounting liability on the public purse, by definition they can be nothing else. My grandparents fought in the cause of universal suffrage, suffering all the penalties that imposed, incarceration, force fedding and the like but how many "Trade Union" members actually get of their backsides and make the effort to go to the polling station and cast their vote. If they had done so then we would never have had a Tory government.

Let us also not forget that under a Labour watch the Mid Staffs scandal was perpetrated with the full cogniscance of the LABOUR government of Blair/Brown (1997-2010). Yes I wrote and informed Dr Tony Wright MP for Cannock about what was happening in Stafford Hospital in 2001 as I was a "patient" under their laughable "care". It took 1250 dead bodies killed by malpractice (Francis Report) to get the cretins of "New Labour" to take notice

Now we have had a permanent totalitarian Labour devolved government here in Wales the figures are even more bone chilling. So Stafford was merely a tryout of a covert Labour?union policy of seeing what can be got away with.

You want justification for my comments? Well the office for National Statistics published in May 2014 the 12 year figures (2001-2012) for avoidable deaths in NHS Hospitals alone. Welsh Labour in government has presided over the deaths of 97,000 people in the hospitals they are directly responsible for in those 12 years. Based on the latest population census figures that is just over 3% of the population living here. If we now examine the years 1933 to 1945 of Nazi rule in Germany the figures based on the Work of Professor R. J. Rummel and the census by the German authorities 1933 and the Allied population survey 1945 and Nazi records, Hitler with his efficient killing machines merely managed to kill quite deliberately in all their pogroms just over 1% of the population of Germany at the time. So Labour are presiding over a 3 times death rate in Wales than occurred in Nazi Germany for a directly comparable period.

Under the health board where I live that figure is actually 6.5 times that of the Nazis when preventable death is added to avoidable death.

The worst factor of all is the hypocrisy fo Labour and Unions in this. The justifications they use for this read almost exactly the same as the justifications used by physicians and medical practitioners for the Tiergartenstrasse 4 euthanasia initiative 1939-1945 for the sick and most vulnerable in that society.

Will those supporting Labour please now explain the true current Labour Policies on this? I would love to see them.

regards

[judgemental24]

Re: is this discrimination???

Current labour polices have now changed, you are a bit late, most of this was discussed at the labour party conference yesterday

New Labour and Blairrite policies are now dead and buried

The book has now turned a new page

Give the man a chance to implement that change

We now have a true opposiston to this sorry excuse of a Government, ask the 1700 steel workers who lost their job at Redcar yesterday because Osbourn last year did a trade deal with the Chinese and cheap labour

But no let us go off topic as current labour policies are irrelevant to the topic of this thread

[nemesis45]

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Let's get real here the new " Champagne Socialist" leader of the Labour party is never going to get
a chance to " implement" anything.

I suspect the vast majority of labour " supporters" will not stand for comrade Corbyn's love of terrorists and his attitude of appeasement.
His " plans" to emasculate the British Armed Forces and dropping Trident are already rejected the country ( not his sycophants) will reject him at the ballot box.

If this is not relevant why did you see fit to answer Garlocks post?

[judgemental24]

Re: is this discrimination???

I really cannot see the relevance

The topic of this thread is about employment disciplinary proedures

Not party politics

If you wish to debate party politics might i reccommend starting a new thread as this is not helping the OP?

[Amethyst]

Re: is this discrimination???

Posts moved to new thread. Thanks

[wales01man]

Re: Discussion

We can praise and support our chosen Political party until the cows come home,thatcher Blair and everyone brfore Cameron have had there day there is a future to look after the opinion not shared by Judgemental is Corbyn will never be PM he will although have his say disagree or agree with him he can spout whatever he likes but in the end the electorate will decide my prediction Tory boys again

[judgemental24]

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Corbyn will never become Prime Minister, i have never said he will

What i stated was that he is the right man at this period in time to lead the party and inject fresh ideas

The Status Quo has to end or you will simply end up with the unsavoury fringe parties gaining political support through voter apathy

For the record i despise Blair and left the labour party when we went back to Iraq a second time

[wales01man]

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I think the majority also think he will never be PM he will just get paid good money by the taxpayer to tell us his policies