EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Nope - it's the council's at all times and they cannot refuse payment.

Yep you could make a rule that the corner shop could accept payment it would not alter the fact thst the payment was sue to the EA.

The sum owed is conferred by the warrant l/liability order, section 62 says that the EA collects the sums due under the schedule 12 procedure, it is another basic fact which seems to have eluded you. It is one of the main differences between the regime pre and post April last year.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Now, now Peter-Lets not be like that, just because you've been taken out of your comfort zone again.

Just for you:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-standards.pdf

7 Creditors should remember that enforcement agents are acting on their behalf and that ultimately they are responsible, and accountable, for the enforcement agents acting on their behalf.

9 Creditors must notify the enforcement agency of all payments received and other contacts with the debtor, including repayment agreements made with the debtor.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Have you forgotten Eastleigh already?

We do not pass money over to the Civil Enforcement Agents where there is a balance still due to the Council.

Thought we had done eastliegh

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Thought we had done eastliegh

Nope - you finished prematurely.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Now, now Peter-Lets not be like that, just because you've been taken out of your comfort zone again.

Just for you:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-standards.pdf

7 Creditors should remember that enforcement agents are acting on their behalf and that ultimately they are responsible, and accountable, for the enforcement agents acting on their behalf.

9 Creditors must notify the enforcement agency of all payments received and other contacts with the debtor, including repayment agreements made with the debtor.

No Mark firmly in my comfort zone thanks, the legislation does not say taht the EA owns the debt just that it is responsible for its recovery. Like any other relationship the creditor is liable with the EA for its actions, it does not alter the fact that the debt is due to the EA whilst under an enforcment power , pretty elementary stuff mark I would have thought.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Now, now Peter-Lets not be like that, just because you've been taken out of your comfort zone again.

Just for you:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-standards.pdf

7 Creditors should remember that enforcement agents are acting on their behalf and that ultimately they are responsible, and accountable, for the enforcement agents acting on their behalf.

9 Creditors must notify the enforcement agency of all payments received and other contacts with the debtor, including repayment agreements made with the debtor.

You and Pote seem to share the ability to look at the legislation and see what you want instead of what is written, you did say that you had difficultly in understanding the ins and outs so I will go easy on you just this once.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

9 Creditors must notify the enforcement agency of all payments received and other contacts with the debtor, including repayment agreements made with the debtor.

Incidentally mark why do you think that the above is the case ?

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Nope - you finished prematurely.

NO it was all that f complicated stuff about the amounts being deducted form the amount outstanding, I would not worry to much about it. :tinysmile_grin_t:

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Incidentally mark why do you think that the above is the case ?

If I may answer, obviously so the EA knows what is owed.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

If I may answer, obviously so the EA knows what is owed.

Very good and because the EA is responsible for the debt.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Very good and because the EA is responsible for the debt.

No - the council remain responsible at all times. They have a duty to keep the EA informed.

[Guest]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

No - the council remain responsible at all times. They have a duty to keep the EA informed.

Say this one last time to you then I am afraid i give up..The money whilst the debt is under an enforcement power is owed to the EA.

This does not mean that the Ea own the debt.

[Crazy council]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Can i just enquire

Have you ever read any of the service level agreements between councils and EA. If not, i have some from my old research, they may take a day or so to dig out. But the ones i have read, cover the curcs your talking about. the EA remain agents for the council, under the responsibility of teh 151 and monitoring officer for there actions. The right for the EA to charge or claim the fee, does not meen they have to charge/recover it. Just they have the right to at that stage

these agreements can be quite varied between councils.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Say this one last time to you then I am afraid i give up..The money whilst the debt is under an enforcement power is owed to the EA.

This does not mean that the Ea own the debt.

Nope, the debt is owed to the council at all times. That is just common sense Peter. No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true. Anyone with even a grain of sense would see that the debt is owed to the council at all times.

Only the fees are owed to the EA.

[leclerc]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Can i just enquire

Have you ever read any of the service level agreements between councils and EA. If not, i have some from my old research, they may take a day or so to dig out. But the ones i have read, cover the curcs your talking about. the EA remain agents for the council, under the responsibility of teh 151 and monitoring officer for there actions. The right for the EA to charge or claim the fee, does not meen they have to charge/recover it. Just they have the right to at that stage

these agreements can be quite varied between councils.

That would be a good thing to find and upload and it might help in the discussion providing it has not been already been closed