Morally wrong to eat horses!!!

[lexis200]

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Yes, Shocking and there will be trouble all over Europe...many dont want to eat horses and ponies, apart from the fact that the Consumer does't like being duped/conned.

On a lighter note perhaps they should round up all the dodgy bankers and turn them into horse burgers!They'd taste bitter and you'd keep getting money stuck in your teeth

I think that's the crux of it for me. I have no issues with horse meat being used for food - I probably wouldn't choose it personally, but that's more due to not being brought up with the idea that it's normal rather than a moral thing - but if I bought something labelled beef I'd expect it to have been mooing not whinnying before it got to my plate!

[gravytrain]

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It is a bit worrying, if they cannot even guarantee the species of animal in your food what does that say about lesser but equally disturbing contaminates.

One good thing, I can see more people taking the time to prepare there own food because of this.

[enaid]

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Horses and I have owned 2 in my time are treated with wormers on a regular basis (if they had a responsible owner) and has been stated this morning if injured or in pain would more than likely have been given Bute as a pain killer. These meds are dangerous to humans and although may not be in massive amounts could still be possibly harmful to the young, old and infirm in our society. I personally could not knowingly eat horse meat any more than I could fly, but each to their own.
Thing is we had Mad Cows and Salmonella from animals we eat on a regular basis and I firmly believe that was caused by the stuff the animals were fed on, or picked up from the ground they grazed on. Either way it didn't take much for it to be very serious for us humans.
There will be lots more horses going over to the continent to be slaughtered for meat in these hard times, as many people give in to their kids and buy them a pony having no idea of the true cost.

[Angry Cat]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21393312

And yes, I agree that there must be a health issue also, as well a moral one!

I suspect that this has been going on for some time and IMO everyone should be cautious about eating cheap processed meat;
tinned meat included.

Time for shoppers to give their business back to local butchers!

[Angry Cat]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2KOaEdB8N

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/artic...uary_2013.html

[Inca]

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My Mum refused to let our cat ever have beef Whiskas after the CJD outbreak.

[wales01man]

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I honestly beleive this has been going on for a long time maybe the supermarkets knew about it and betting the suppliers did remember the supermarkets are only interested in profit squeeze the suppliesr and overcharge the customers

[gravytrain]

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I wonder what the difference in price is between a Kilo of beef and a Kilo of horse meat ?
I saw it on menu in France and from what I remember it was quite expensive, in comparison, perhaps it is not the grade that is intended sur la table.

[enaid]

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I can tell you that many horses at auction go for as little as a fiver to meat dealers. My second horse was actually one bought by a local horse dealer who outbid the meat dealer because she saw his potential.
Many are slaughtered in the UK everyday and if you are brave enough to google the subject I am sure you could not help but be shocked and deeply upset about what you read.
As traumatic as that situation would be for most horses it is a tad better than the suffering they go through being shipped abroad alive.

[Angry Cat]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21391891

[MissFM]

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I can tell you that many horses at auction go for as little as a fiver to meat dealers. My second horse was actually one bought by a local horse dealer who outbid the meat dealer because she saw his potential.
Many are slaughtered in the UK everyday and if you are brave enough to google the subject I am sure you could not help but be shocked and deeply upset about what you read.
As traumatic as that situation would be for most horses it is a tad better than the suffering they go through being shipped abroad alive.

Absolutely - and that is where the animal rights brigade SHOULD be concentrating their energies - and the USELESS, political Rspca.

The horse trade in Ireland has been secretly based around producing meat for a long time - transporting in non-humane conditions to the continental table (clearly here as well) and the safari park trade.

Years ago there was a (only partially successful) campaign to stop the live transportation of horses from Poland to Italy.

This is not sentimentality - horses are incredibly sensitive and emotional - spiritual - beings.

[jon1965]

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When we talk about horse meat we lose sight of the problem. It is not the fact it is horsemeat it is the fact it is passed off as something else.
I also personally hate seeing live animal transport and we also know the problems this can cause (foot&mouth for instance).

I try not to eat either Halal or Kosher meat although it is not always possible or even known about. Equally I can not, even at 47 eat rabbit. It has been 30 years since I owned one but .....

[MissFM]

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John 1965

There are three separate issues here, the one you have highlighted - the dishonesty, fraud and danger to humans in the food chain.

Another one - which you touch on in the rabbit issue - is very much to do with who we think it morally OK to eat.


Most importantly, FMPov (qv halal etc), is that if you are going to eat animals you owe them a wonderful life and a humane, fear-and-pain-free death.

On the eating horses issue - they are much, much more sensitive than most "meat" animals and the above is difficult to achieve unless they are killed very carefully in familiar circumstances ie on the farm where they live.

The last, incidentally, is applicable to all farm animals - all animals to some degree - and a dreadful consequence of EU regulations closing small local abbattoirs is that animals suffer terribly and unnecessarily.

[jon1965]

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I do not think it is morally wrong to eat Rabbit or even dog, it is however something that I would have great difficulty doing. I am afraid we are omnivores and as such part of our natural diet is meat, although there is no need to eat the quantity that we do.

We have to be wary of thinking that animals have the same understanding and feelings as humans. As far as we know they do not have the same understanding or even fear of death as we do but I agree that they must be treated in a manner that minimises suffering. As you say the closure of small local slaughter houses has caused lots of animal welfare issues.

I am not sure on what basis you say that horses are more sensitive than other meat animals althoug they do seem much more aware than say cattle.

Jon

[MissFM]

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I do not think it is morally wrong to eat Rabbit or even dog, it is however something that I would have great difficulty doing. I am afraid we are omnivores and as such part of our natural diet is meat, although there is no need to eat the quantity that we do.

We have to be wary of thinking that animals have the same understanding and feelings as humans. As far as we know they do not have the same understanding or even fear of death as we do but I agree that they must be treated in a manner that minimises suffering. As you say the closure of small local slaughter houses has caused lots of animal welfare issues.

I am not sure on what basis you say that horses are more sensitive than other meat animals althoug they do seem much more aware than say cattle.

Jon

I absolutely agree on not attributing human sentiments. Horses are, however, "noble". I can't explain why if you don't already know but will try if you want.

My view on eating meat from anything is ambivalent but as is said above, if you do then it needs to be done with utmost respect, both in terms of their life and of their death. The latter is difficult to achieve with horses in particular.