Fed up with the bickering

[zhanzhibar]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

Hi Pt

The lenders very rarely get it right,

that's true but lately, it also seem to depend on which judge you got for your case, i mean look at the Brandon/Amex case. Its clear Amex were so clearly in the wrong about the DN & yet they win. As LiP its really scary of this unknown because even though we know the consumer law is on our side, some people of the court seem to ignore the law or is that what its all about, one's interpretation of the law rather than what is stated as law.

i won a stonker of a case for a client over on the CAG Delfi101 et al vs Weightmans/Phoenix /HFC - ***WON*** - Page 2 - The Consumer Forums and that was post Carey, there is the actual order the judge made. You will always find a fault and remember the lender must produce an "honest and accurate" copy, discredit them and they are stuffed.

I am glad delfi won his case with Weightman, one parasite I managed to trash.

So, if i can help anyone please let me know, or drop me a pm and will do my best,

would really appreciate it if you could help me on my Amex case coz other than the invalid DN, my other point was no credit agreement signed by me but they keep saying that it is electronic agreement and that I have tick the box o/wise won't be able to carry on & they can't accept the application. I can't seem to find case law on electronic agreement pre CCA 2006, do you have any that I can read?

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

Sounds to me, with legal knowledge and guts like yours, that you probably made some fellow team members a little *ahem* uncomfortable?!

Remember, it is a cardinal sin to expose any ignorance......so you must be in the wrong somewhere!??

I did a lot of work on Limitations Act back in 06 when I was site team, when I submitted it for approval within team forum, the only comment I got was to be corrected on calling it Statute of Limitations rather than Limitations Act in the thread title!!

Gave me great satisfaction when 3 weeks later, the same LA POC scared off Lloyds TSB on 4k worth of pre 6 yr charges successfully.......

Be great to see some of that brainpower in action over here, welcome xxx

Thanks,

I do not intend on being as overly active as in the early days on the CAG

However, i will do my best to offer advice, and to assist where i can.

I am happy to be challenged, and put right, but i only ask if someone says im wrong on a point of law, please show the case authority for your view so i can read it lol

I had been planning on writing a piece on the cases post carey and how i get round that horrid judgment, i have had a rake of successes on these cases , even where recon agreements are used.

The lenders very rarely get it right, i won a stonker of a case for a client over on the CAG Delfi101 et al vs Weightmans/Phoenix /HFC - ***WON*** - Page 2 - The Consumer Forums and that was post Carey, there is the actual order the judge made. You will always find a fault and remember the lender must produce an "honest and accurate" copy, discredit them and they are stuffed.

So, if i can help anyone please let me know, or drop me a pm and will do my best,

[Celestine]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

Sounds to me, with legal knowledge and guts like yours, that you probably made some fellow team members a little *ahem* uncomfortable?!

Remember, it is a cardinal sin to expose any ignorance......so you must be in the wrong somewhere!??

I did a lot of work on Limitations Act back in 06 when I was site team, when I submitted it for approval within team forum, the only comment I got was to be corrected on calling it Statute of Limitations rather than Limitations Act in the thread title!!

Gave me great satisfaction when 3 weeks later, the same LA POC scared off Lloyds TSB on 4k worth of pre 6 yr charges successfully.......

Be great to see some of that brainpower in action over here, welcome xxx

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

The CAG banning people associated with LB, especially if you dare criticise CAG is pretty sinister and harmful. Maybe after the dust has settled and tempers calmed, people may want to return in a neutral manner to help out on certain crucial threads, but they are prevented by this ridiculous policy of fear against LB.
We have useful stuff we'd happily share, but we are not allowed, to the detriment of CAG users.

i have 16 judgments in my possession that cause all manner of mayhem, infact Restons conceded a case on the 20th after having a judgment and charging order, but apparently over where PB is , he thinks i dont know what im doing, lol i think my client who is now debt free will beg to differ

I have won cases post Carey for clients, and cases that people over on CAG naming no names, said that the client didnt have a hope in hells chance, well, i took the case to the High Court and won,

I have the egg agreements judgment due soon, im happy to share my arguments, and documents on that case if we succeed, or if we lose, or if we appeal

I find it amazing, that there is this divide, its truely shocking, but alas there is little we can do it seems, people on the CAG know where to find me, they know where i am, so if they need help it will get to them somehow

[Celestine]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

lol

Well, it seems its not liked that im posting over here.

It seems even more not liked that ive said i will share the Egg judgment over here and not there

What i can say, and i have absolutely no regrets saying this too, is i had no support whatsoever over there, it seems that people will say nice nice things to my face and stick the knife in my back.

I guess that, because im here, i cant go there, seems daft personally, but im not going to post anywhere, where i have to put up with constant attacks on my person

Oh deep joy

The CAG banning people associated with LB, especially if you dare criticise CAG is pretty sinister and harmful. Maybe after the dust has settled and tempers calmed, people may want to return in a neutral manner to help out on certain crucial threads, but they are prevented by this ridiculous policy of fear against LB.
We have useful stuff we'd happily share, but we are not allowed, to the detriment of CAG users.

[Celestine]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

I've just caught up with this thread

seems GAG are really starting to go west big time

they can't afford to lose talent like pt.....they just can't.I for one am very glad to see him on here,as I have a lot of time for him and what he has to say

Does anyone really know what is happening behind the curtains over there?It gets weirder and weirder as the days go by

oh well.....they're behind me now!

If you've ever been site team at CAG then you'll know!
The 'private' staff threads that slated users, other sites and new approaches to legal debate that contradicted the CAG or Marc Gander were shocking.
Some site team got recruited and recoiled in horror at the behind the scenes ethos, yet others seem to revel in the bitching and mockery, egging on each other, bigging each other up and reinforcing their power hungry attitudes. Deeply WEIRD!

*shudders at memory*!!

One thing we got right from the start at LB was the low key approach to site team, no ego's just sharing ideas, resources, knowledge and commitment.

Onward and upward :beagle:

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

lol

Well, it seems its not liked that im posting over here.

It seems even more not liked that ive said i will share the Egg judgment over here and not there, i would have thought the reasons were clear, as i said due to the offensive approach of peter bard, i will not be posting on the forum again. seems silly that i would then go back and post a judgment doesnt it

What i can say, and i have absolutely no regrets saying this too, is i had no support whatsoever over there, it seems that people will say nice nice things to my face and stick the knife in my back.

I guess that, because im here, i cant go there, seems daft personally, but im not going to post anywhere, where i have to put up with constant attacks on my person

Oh deep joy

[lickthewallfatboy]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

I've just caught up with this thread

seems GAG are really starting to go west big time

they can't afford to lose talent like pt.....they just can't.I for one am very glad to see him on here,as I have a lot of time for him and what he has to say

Does anyone really know what is happening behind the curtains over there?It gets weirder and weirder as the days go by

oh well.....they're behind me now!

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

yeah it seems so

Ive just posted over there

[Amethyst]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

Ahhh is that the Amex one Zhanzibar was looking for ? ( Summary judgment won but they decided to take me to trial anyway - Legal Beagles Consumer Forum )

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

yes it is,

but til its won on appeal were stuck with this

plus it hasnt got leave to appeal yet, so there are hurdles to over come

i wouldnt expect a hearing til next year really knowing the COA how i do

[Algee]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

pt, did I read somewhere that the Brandon case was being appealed?

Alan

[pt2537]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

help needed -case going to court - The Consumer Forums

Take that poor soul for example,

I would place 100 on it that the defence would be struck out at a strike out hearing for failing to disclose reasonable grounds for defending the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4

The reason are

1) per HHJ Platt in HFO v Patel the Defendant who wishes to rely on improper execution must plead the breaches of the regulations he relies upon

2) Per HHJ Waksman there must be a positive assertion from the debtor as to the circumstances if the Debtor alleges the agreement is unenforceable, for example the court will look for you to say what you did sign and why that isnt a copy of it

3) HHJ Denyer sitting as a judge of the High Court in Brandon stated that the failure to give 14 days to remedy the default does not stop a creditor from recovering his money.

Thats off the top of my head, i could probably put a list of 10 points why that defence will fail

Its people like that i feel sorry for due to the egos on the top guys over the road...............

[Angry Cat]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

At the end of the day, intelligent OTR members who are discontent will go elsewhere!
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It is a shame that this is the case...


The options i had were stay and let this person carry on

or leave, which i have done, sadly the people who are in difficulty are the ones who will suffer, i have seen lots of posts i could answer over there, but i said that it was my last post and i mean it, its over for me

IMHO, you have left with dignity!
Yes, the other person will carry on, but remember, this person has lost all credibility.
And, he who laughs last, laughs the longest...

For myself, I will not return to OTR, my principles would not allow me to do so.

The whole issue has left me with a heavy heart, especially in relation to some vulnerable members who I was attempting to assist.

I joined OTR in February 2006, when it was BAG.

Still onward and upwards, that is the way to go.

Hopefully, I can be of assistance on here.

[shell]

Re: Fed up with the bickering

Very true. Thanks.