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    Penalty Charges have had to temporarily close whilst an issue with their hosting providers is sorted out. This may mean court battles and we will support Stephen in any way we are able.

    Stephen Hone/Penalty Charges

    27/10/2008


    Dear Stephen
    It has recently come to our attention that your web site http://www.penatlychargesforum.co.uk appears to offer advice and
    seems to encourage the borrowing of money from companies without the intention of repaying it.
    The nature of borrowing money with the intention of never repaying is viewed as deception, and is a clear breach of
    s.15 of the Theft Act 1968.
    Here are some links of examples
    http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk...ad.php?t=45733
    http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk...t=payday+loans
    For example this link http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk...t=payday+loans
    shows one of the forum users telling someone to cancel their direct debits and change their contact numbers to avoid
    contact.
    These people are freely admitting that they cannot afford to borrow the money, but borrow it anyway, then openly
    use tactics they have learned from each other to avoid repaying.
    This is not only a breach under s.15 of the Theft Act 1968 but is also a breach of our Terms and Conditions of service s.
    4.3 to include s.4.3.4 and s.4.3.5
    We hereby suspend your hosting and put you on notice to take action and to immediately remove all references to
    these kinds of activities and any forums relative to these activities and actions.
    Our terms and conditions are attached.
    Kind Regards
    Carl Fearby
    Managing Director
    Paper Hat Creative Limited
    Relevant part of T&C's
    4.3. The Client warrants that it shall:
    4.3.1. Use its best endeavours to co-operate with THE COMPANY in relation to the registration or transfer of any
    domain name and shall provide all information as may be necessary to effect such registration or transfer;
    4.3.2. not submit to THE COMPANY any Requests in relation to a domain name or names which it knows, or should
    (after reasonable inquiry) have known, infringes or might reasonably be considered to infringe the IPR of any third
    party;
    4.3.3. not in using the web-hosting services, use any domain name or other descriptor which is, or might
    reasonably considered to be, in breach of any IPR of any third party,
    4.3.4. Use the web-hosting services for lawful purposes only;
    4.3.5. Not use the web-hosting services:-
    (a) to store, reproduce, transmit, communicate or knowingly receive any material which is
    offensive, abusive, indecent, defamatory, obscene, pornographic or menacing, or in breach of
    confidence, privacy, IPR or any other rights of any third party or contain links to such material or
    upload any such material onto a website hosted by THE COMPANY or by a supplier of THE
    COMPANY;
    (b) For the sending of unsolicited bulk emails; or
    (c) Any other purpose which, at the sole discretion of THE COMPANY, is deemed inappropriate
    for publication on the internet.
    4.3.6. Not to sell to any other person (whether in money or monies worth, the giving or withholding of any business
    or benefit of any kind or description), either directly or indirectly, the web-hosting services.
    4.4. THE COMPANY shall be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a breach of clause 4.3 and the Client shall indemnity
    and hold harmless THE COMPANY against any loss, damage, liability, expenses or claims resulting from the Client’s
    breach of clause 4.3 and THE COMPANY reserves the right to suspend or terminate the provision of hosting services due
    to such breach and to charge the Client a reasonable administration fee for any subsequent reinstatement of service. The
    Client agrees that THE COMPANY has the right to delete all data, files, or other information that is stored on the Client’s
    account if the Client’s account is terminated, for any reason, by either THE COMPANY or the Client.
    4.5. Where the Order Confirmation states that the Client shall be solely responsible for affecting the registration or
    transfer of any domain name the Client shall affect such transfer or registration within 30 days from the date of the Order
    Confirmation or as stated in the Order Confirmation.
    Last edited by Amethyst; 28th October 2008, 09:32:AM.
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    Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

    Bugger

    How at risk are we?
    Have we had any contact?
    "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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    • #3
      Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

      Well i would hope not at all. Servage are a bit sturdier than Paperhat. Basically Paperhat rent space off 1&1 and resell it. Seems some one may have contacted 1&1 with a threat and 1&1 have told paperhat to take down PC or they'll get Paperhat cut off from 1&1.

      Hosts will just pull plug rather than face action sadly.

      So long as we keep a backup we should get back up quite quickly, and I would hope our host would give us a tad more notice.


      I have offered Stephen any help he needs. He's trying everything but if it comes to it could be a court order to reinstate (not sure how that would work tho)

      He's hopeful it will be back up shortly anyway as he has removed offending threads.
      Last edited by Amethyst; 28th October 2008, 09:30:AM.
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      • #4
        Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

        Taken from CAG


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        Re: Has Penalty Charges really gone?
        Hi There

        Im the host (booo hiss agghhh stabbing sounds)

        Unfortunatly i was told that if i didnt turn PC off i would be seen with termination of my hosting accounts for all my hosting for all my customers, this exceeds 120 customers.... i have a meeting tommorrow with the hosting company regarding this and would hope they will understand the error of their ways.

        unfortunatly even through much heated conversations with PC and the provisions company it seems freedom of speech is some thing we should not have.. i agree PC was in the right in the threads complained about i intend to voice this to the company whome i provision my hosting from

        please tell the media, the people you know, and support stephen in this troubling time... its not right and my hands are tied, sorry to the members and the guests, i know its not fair

        all the best

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        • #5
          Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

          Here the post I so angry that they accused us/me of providing "illegal Services" basically they called me a criminal, I will highlight the content of each post in the order you given for ease.

          http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45733

          This was a post by Weemonk in which he says
          I've now ignored QuickQuid for 5 full months in regard to money that I owe them. I know this is naughty but it's my route as I just can't afford to pay them.I've ignored all calls and all emails which have read:… I received the attached letter from QuickQuid On Saturday.

          This is the first piece of actual mail I've had from them.I'm going to ignore it for 2 reasons:1 - I still can't afford to pay it2 - After this experience and that I've had with PTP, I seriously wonder how much power these payday companies based abroad really have to enforce the debt. This letter to me looks exactly like the type you get from a DCA when they are fishing for at least some of the money.
          Martin as you can see I underlined certain words, these words clearly show this member is just informing us of what he has done, any why he done it at no point does he say “I ADVICE YOU NOT TO PAY MONEY YOU OWE or borrow money knowing you cannot pay it back. he clearly is only setting out what he has done so he can be advised. in a later posted he says
          "Could have got out of it by not confirming DPA details but at the end of the day, I'm going to have to pay this back at some point as CCA would be enforceable.....so I decided I'd be reasonable and speak to them in order to enter into a payment arrangement.
          Again clearly showing that he accepts he borrowed the money, subject to the firm having a legally enforceable agreement he will have to re pay it.http://www.penaltychargesforum.co.uk...=payday+loans2.
          I cancelled my debit card and no payments were taken. I ignored their calls for the next 4 days (including weekend) whilst I figured out what I could offer.
          Last edited by Amethyst; 28th October 2008, 10:06:AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

            Steven, I don't know if you have already looked at this, but why not just move the site to another server? At least for the time being?

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            • #7
              Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

              IMHO there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. The poster is simply describing what he has done & no more.

              If these posts are considered illegal then heaven help all other consumer websites.

              I think these lenders are cracking the whip in the full knowledge that most sites are run by volunteers who have no funds to put up a fight & discredit their allegations

              I'm sure you'll agree that this must not be allowed to happen as goodness knows who will be next & I see you have already offered help which I do hope Stephen accepts

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              • #8
                Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                Originally posted by righty View Post
                IMHO there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. The poster is simply describing what he has done & no more. Agree

                If these posts are considered illegal then heaven help all other consumer websites. Most certainly agree- check them all out

                I'm sure you'll agree that this must not be allowed to happen as goodness knows who will be next & I see you have already offered help which I do hope Stephen accepts

                All should move to servers outside EU- eg Sweden.

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                • #9
                  Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                  The complaint aledges that PC encouraged people to borrow and not pay back......I doubt very much .......If .....on ALL forums this comment has been said ever!!!!

                  And only Stephen can answer, was the hosting withdrawn before anything could be done ?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                    The letter was dated 27th, and site was taken down midday.

                    So yes before he could do anything.

                    He is trying to speak to 1&1 today.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                      Have we ascertained that it is safe to follow those pop up links to give User Name (E-Mail type) & password

                      If so-which password is it asking for--your server password or PCF password?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                        No don't enter any user name and / or password into those boxes.


                        Stephen hopes the site will be back up this afternoon, probably on a new hosting.


                        We have considered setting up a forum for penalty charges users on here, and will do this if the site is unable to get back up and running today.

                        Fingers crossed 1&1 see sense before its needed though.

                        Any PC users with urgent queries please post in Lamppost with your PC username and we can move posts back over once it is up and running.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                          this just appeared on CAG

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                          Re: Has Penalty Charges really gone?
                          Odd - I just woke up and read the email, and was a bit surprised. I clicked the link to the image of the letter/fax, and then tried logging in unsuccessfully...

                          I tried Martin's link, and that seems to work, so I am also confused as to just what is going on. I tend to agree with Zooman, and believe this is a hoax, and for one simple reason: whenever Stephen sends an email, it is always full of atrocious spelling, grammar and punctuation (bless his cotton socks) but the one announcing the closure hardly turned a hair for me.

                          In light of Zooman's theory, I looked again, and all I could find was ' copy of there fax for you to read' 'There'...yes, that would be a Stephen word, but it is the only such instance.

                          I noticed also that the email address was spelt the same way as Stephen spells it, so whoever sent the email is trying to be like Stephen, but clearly they don't know him well enough. However, I just downloaded the email to Thunderbird anyway, just to have a look, and this is what I found: Quote:
                          Return-Path: <anonymous@www.paperhatcr eative.co.uk>
                          Received: from Paper Hat Creative | Home Page ([87.106.6.167])
                          by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 4si1011284fgg.4.2008.10.2 7.18.05.03;
                          Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
                          Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 87.106.6.167 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of anonymous@www.paperhatcre ative.co.uk) client-ip=87.106.6.167;
                          Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 87.106.6.167 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of anonymous@www.paperhatcre ative.co.uk) smtp.mail=anonymous@www.p aperhatcreative.co.uk
                          Received: (qmail 10813 invoked by uid 4; 27 Oct 2008 23:48:36 +0000
                          So, it wasn't sent by Stephen, but anonymous@www.paperhatcre ative.co.uk - Paperhat Creative? I know paper hats can be funny, but I don't think this is very funny...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                            IS this True

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                            • #15
                              Re: Penalty Charges taken down by hosting company

                              So CAG are being sued for libel and penalty charges are being forced off www

                              Lets have a look at the other clients of paper hat & check out if they are being treated equally.

                              Whos putting the pressure on 1&1 ????

                              ........mmm sinister forces afoot methinks

                              Last edited by ROBSTER; 28th October 2008, 11:25:AM.
                              The charges coming in to the banking industry every day will more than pay the banks total legal bill for the whole test case so why wouldn’t the Banks want to "ensure Justice at the highest level"

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