Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

[mystery1]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

"The Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995 applies to every motorist who passed their first full test after 1 June 1997.
The main effect of the Act is to impose a probationary period for the first 2 years after the test is passed. During this time, a new driver will be subject to immediate revocation of their licence, should they reach 6 or more penalty points. This is an automatic process which is triggered should any offence be committed in the first 2 years lead to a total of 6 points being endorsed on the licence. In theory, a new driver would therefore be given one chance by way of a Fixed Penalty but if two Fixed Penalties were accepted, or a more serious offence resulted in 6 points, the licence would be revoked. " http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingb...newdrivers.htm

Revoked, not banned.

Do you have any authority for your 100 mph either way statement ?

M1

[Openlaw15]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Revoked, not banned.

Do you have any authority for your 100 mph either way statement ?

M1

The either way point doesn't really matter but what is the 10% over the speed limit. Hence below.

"Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. This is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. It also sets guidelines for when it would not be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice but to issue a summons instead (see below). Note that these are guidelines and that a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.

Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 24 mph
Summons: 35 mph

Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO charging threshold: 35 mph
Summons: 50 mph "

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/...nalty_notices/

[mystery1]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

The law says 10% either way although you're probably right I don't think there's any way to prove that car speedos will be under rather than over, I think it would be too costly too to research the issue I would think. In the absence of this it's has to be 10% either way.

I meant this.

M1

[Openlaw15]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

I meant this.

M1

Well it's arbitrary anyway, isn't it? If it were less than 10% below the statutory speed limit it's legal anyway. I suppose what I am suggesting is there is no way to regulate car speedometer's unless they're calibrated at MOTs where they apply, again I cannot see this happening owing to the expense. I'll retract the 10% either way statement, therefore.

[wales01man]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Some satnavs are accurate for speed my car is 70mph when the cars speedo shows 73

[des8]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

At our ages should you be travelling that fast Wales?

[wales01man]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Only when I know there are no speed cameras or police did do 80mph on Monday

[charitynjw]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Are in-car speed camera detection devices illegal? (I'm sure I saw somewhere that they are!)

Btw, @Openlaw15
Re post #59............so that's what Stevie Wonder gets up to in his spare time; a traffic cop! :taunt:

[des8]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Devices that jam or interfere with with speed detection equipment are illegal
Devices that warn of speed detection equipment are not.

[charitynjw]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Devices that jam or interfere with with speed detection equipment are illegal
Devices that warn of speed detection equipment are not.

DAMN!

I'll have to get rid of my 'device' now!

[Openlaw15]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Only when I know there are no speed cameras or police did do 80mph on Monday

I drive 120 mph just get out of Wales :P

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Are in-car speed camera detection devices illegal? (I'm sure I saw somewhere that they are!)

Btw, @Openlaw15
Re post #59............so that's what Stevie Wonder gets up to in his spare time; a traffic cop! :taunt:

Har har...he pulled you over to say:' i just pulled you over to say i love you...' :P

[wales01man]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Hope you paid the tolls Openlaw if not they send Des after you

[des8]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

[QUOTE=Openlaw15;648931]I drive 120 mph just get out of Wales :P

Not down M4 I trust. That's where they breed speed cameras!

[Openlaw15]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Hi guys,

I have been in & out of this brilliant forum a while ago & you helped me defeat a stupid parking fine that was dismissed due to the inefficency of the ParkingEye people.

Now for a new one for advice - I have 20 days to try to help my son (although I think it's futile)!

He is basically a muppet, passed his driving test late last year & within 2 months, got a speeding ticket (already been to court - 35mph in 30 limit - £200 + 3 points), a "Fail to give information relating to identification of the driver" & another speeding offence "35mph in 30 limit" (07/12/2015).

Because he was scared as to what we would say about his immaturity & getting the fines/points within months of getting his licence, he ignored & hid the initial letters, so it ended up with the first speeding offence going to court & getting a £200 fine + 3 points on his licence.

NOW!

He has just received a "Single Justice Procedure Notice" with 2 Charges: 1) Fail to give information relating to the identification of the driver (section 172(3) and 2) Speeding - exceeding 30 miles per hour on restricted road - automatic camera device (section 81(1) & 89(1).

I realise that he is going to lose his licence for some months & get a hefty fine & his insurance will go up a lot, but it would be REALLY helpful to me to let him know WHAT to write on the Notice that he has just received.

Plead Guilty or Not Guilty? Write somewhere on the form (he is 21 years old and still living at home) a reason for doing 35mph in a 30mph limit.

Any advice would be hugely welcome.

Someone told me to say that it was ME that was driving his car & because HE received the speeding notice & I didn't see it just to try to save his licence, but obviously, that would open up a whole new can of worms & my job would take a very dim view of doing that hahahaha

Any help gratefully received.

I have 20 days to reply to this "Notice".

Thank you guys

Ian

Keep us updated

[wales01man]

Re: Son's Speeding/Failure to give information

Hope is updated although I see no defence just needs to grovel to Court