Penalty points - speeding

[Inca]

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Legalese,,,,,,did you bother to read the bit where I said I gave up driving? You weren't there,you don't know where,what time or the circumstances to dare to stand in judgement of me,From your pedestal that is SO high I'm sure you have never made a mistake in your life,,difference is I LEARNT from mine,,can you say the same? And don't bother replying,,this is someones genuine thread asking for PROPER advice,,not another playground for you and your ramblings..I apologise to the OP,

[legalese]

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legalese if i drive at speed and kill one of your family would you not think thats murder if ypu disagree please dont drive on public roads over the speed limit i would hate you to kill someone and it does happen read the stats or talk to a traffic cop

Of course i wouldnt i would be devasted even if you were on or under the speedlimit,

[legalese]

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Legalese,,,,,,did you bother to read the bit where I said I gave up driving? You weren't there,you don't know where,what time or the circumstances to dare to stand in judgement of me,From your pedestal that is SO high I'm sure you have never made a mistake in your life,,difference is I LEARNT from mine,,can you say the same? And don't bother replying,,this is someones genuine thread asking for PROPER advice,,not another playground for you and your ramblings..I apologise to the OP,

Im not having a go Inca, what im saying is 70mph can kill anyone so really what the law says is that its ok to drive at 70mph but not 97mph, and they are actually passing it to 80mph now

[Nic]

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Must arguments occur on people's threads I feel for op who needs advice not for someone to hijack and spurt nonsense

[legalese]

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hang on a minute, i asked the op how fast, then someone came up and posted it wasnt on the fpn, so i said it must be fraud then...now all this about hijacking.

[Nic]

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I am not getting into an argument with anyone I have no reason to nor will I comment further after this post I never said it was you did I? I appreciate you asked the question and then also gave a response to another posters reply what bothers me is then the unnecessary bickering I was just making a point I have had this on amthread of mine before and it's very easy to get comsfused when ppl go off subject etc

[wales01man]

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what advice can you give the guy he was convicted of an offence which he admitted im sure the fine was not the maximun im sure he has learnt his lesson i would love to hear if there is any appeal of conviction and fine/ points to someone my answers is i am far from perfect but i obey the law and if i dont i would expect to pay the penalty im far from high and mighty please forgive the tone of my posts but i see fools on the road everday who take chances to gain seconds and a few yards

[Nic]

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Totally agree with your points Wales I offered insight into a parking notice I had seen

[legalese]

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Hi, hope I'm posting this in in the correct place.
My son was issued with a FPN (£60 fine and 3 points) for speeding on a motorway. The FPN did not state the speed.

He failed to deal with this in time, he was sitting his university finals and only realised he'd forgotten when the Summons appeared. Immediately sent off the fine etc but this was not accepted. Sent all required papers to the court and pleaded guilty with apologies for the oversight and explained about exams.

Just received Notice of Endorsement from the court which increases the fine to £175 ( fair enough) but has endorsed his licence with 5 points. As the offence hasn't changed we don't understand why the points have increased - can anyone say if this is standard procedure?

Many thanks

You son has accepted the fine by paying it, the court would be silly and create a precedent if they were to accept it, your son should of attended court and pleaded not guilty, then creating a moving of the court to prosecuter to show evedence that he was speeding. No evidence = aquittal. Hope this helps.

[Inca]

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Speaking from my own experience,,my speed was on my FPN and I got 4 points,,I'm not sure if points can be added for non response?

[legalese]

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legalese if i drive at speed and kill one of your family would you not think thats murder if ypu disagree please dont drive on public roads over the speed limit i would hate you to kill someone and it does happen read the stats or talk to a traffic cop

Im not being funny but talking to a traffic cop is not recommended, ask a solicitor

[mvm772]

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Thank you everyone who replied. Sorry if I've stirred up strong feelings. Son accepted he was speeding, and had done a bad and stupid thing, and there was no option in his mind to plead not guilty.
It was expected he would get a heavier 'fine' for using the court's time, but we were just confused ( and still are) why the penalty points would increase even though the offence is the same.
I guess the original FPN offer was by way of a 'discount' for reducing the bureaucracy of dealing with it, which seems morally ridiculous to me.

[Inca]

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I'd be intrigued to know (if you ever find out) why the points were increased or just a clerical error,Inca

[Bill-K]

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I'd be intrigued to know (if you ever find out) why the points were increased or just a clerical error,Inca

I got done (by a speed-gun trap) for speeding a while back, and was issued with a FPN on the spot. Basically, if I paid the £60 penalty, I would not be prosecuted, but would have 3 penalty points put on my licence. I elected not to pay the penalty, and to contest the FPN in court. I got my day in court, and cross-examined both police officers - who lied under oath. I was fined £200 and had 4 penalty points.

My point here is that - if you let it get to court - then you have effectively ignored or refused to accept the FPN. You then subject yourself to a completely different process, but the stakes are higher. The court does NOT enforce the FPN, as the FPN is simply an offer to settle the matter outside the court. The court tries you - entirely separately - for an alleged speeding offence. You can be convicted or found not guilty - but if convicted, then almost invariably you will receive a harsher punishment.

[legalese]

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I know you may find this outrageous but they are not magistrate courts they are administrative courts that use magistrate court premises, if you been to a court of law you will find that cases are split up from each other ie council tax hearings from 10am to 11:30am then traffic from 11:30am to 1pm later comes the criminal law of assaults, thefts, criminal damage etc. Yes unbelievable but true.