The mother dictating the order?

[Openlaw15]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Please keep your comments to those you know about. IP address = Internet Protocol address

Please keep my comments to my areas of competence, you say? Oh come on now this place is like a have a go anyway even if you do not know what you're talking about regardless if you know about law. Just guess it like a Catchphrase-esque 'say what you see.' One apparent expert on Beagles did not understand Estoppel but slaughtered the principle, which in any event did not apply to the relevant Op.


As was said earlier the IP address your router is given is normally dynamically allocated by the the provider from their pool when the modem/router is turned on, and can be reset from time to time by things on the network. The provider keeps a list of which address was allocated to which router at any specific time. There is another unique method of machine identification which is hardwired into the network adapter in the computer. However all of these can be spoofed to avoid detection.

My point to the OP herein was to just be careful because his activities could be traced.

[Nibbler]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Actually no, even ostell's example is probably overly optimistic in what they can tell. Connection data should not reveal a MAC address or similar.

Believe me, proving what actual device among similar ones that had access is damn more difficult than it sounds.

[t135t0]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

i dont have a personal internet or wi-fi account, i have either logged on at work wi-fi or hotspots, i dont own my own home or my own wi-fi under my name, does that help at all?

[NWHC]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Just to provide some comfort , I was reading about a certain porn company that was trying to sue users for illegal downloads. The provision of an IP address, even though directly linked to the defendants address was not enough to prove (even in the civil , balance of probabilities ) that the person to whom that IP address was used was the copyright infringer .

Just to be technically correct, the providers such as Sky or Talktalk are called ISP (Internet Service providers)
I believe the address that is given to your computer is a MAC address but I may be wrong and do not know if it can be traced

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i dont have a personal internet or wi-fi account, i have either logged on at work wi-fi or hotspots, i dont own my own home or my own wi-fi under my name, does that help at all?

That will make it doubly difficult to prove. Some hotspots I think require you to register with an email address , they certainly used to

[Openlaw15]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Actually no, even ostell's example is probably overly optimistic in what they can tell. Connection data should not reveal a MAC address or similar.

Believe me, proving what actual device among similar ones that had access is damn more difficult than it sounds.

Sky have the contract to broadcast movies and sports, so at some point investments in technology will make pirating, ie watching sky movies without sky contracts etc , easier to trace the illegal users. Scenario: sky services ie movies, BT services: internet. If this user were watching movies illegally online with one of those boxes (can't think of the name) and sky were to trace the source to the internet service provider (ISP) but it would not provide the details to SKY, then Sky would have a remedy against BT for damages...so BT is more likely to volunteer the details of its user which in turn will be cancellation of internet services and for them to be fined for breaching BT contract. I don't thik it would matter to BT who the actual person was at the home address, it seems likely that the house owner/ tenant would be fined.

[Nibbler]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

They would require IP logs from the steamer servers, which by their nature they just do not keep.

The scenario you present seems logical, but is technologically and commercially not what IPS or CRHs will go for.

[spirit2534]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Hi Again,


Hi after alot of ups and downs i see my daughter on nov 7th for the first time in 3 months. I wrote a heartfelt letter to the mother (after getting some great advice off here from two contributors) and a few fb msgs to her and her family and it worked, well i think it did, its either that or she realised she is in breach of court and if i took her back she would get prosecuted. Anyways it dont matter im seeing my daughter again.

In my letter i said i would seek counselling and try and sort my anger issues out. This past few days my circumstances have changed and i need to find a new home and relocate etc so im going to struggle to pay for the counselling as its £70 an hour round here. I messaged the centre coordinator who knows of the letter i sent and the idea i seek counselling, i said i may not be able to afford the counselling at the moment, and as it was my suggestion and nothing to do with my court order can the session on the 7th with my daughter still go ahead,???? The coordinator replied with "the mother will only let you see scarlett if you have been to counselling". i didnt reply to that as i didnt want to go on at the coordinator but can the mother do that??...if the mother is setting the conditions whats the point in having a court order in place??

I know you will all say just go to the counselling and im going to try but scene as i suggested it and it has zero to do with the court can she still refuse to attend the centre if i genuinely couldnt afford to go to the counselling sessions?

Difficult to advice.
Follow the law is always a good principle, difficult I know.

[Openlaw15]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Hi Again,


Hi after alot of ups and downs i see my daughter on nov 7th for the first time in 3 months. I wrote a heartfelt letter to the mother (after getting some great advice off here from two contributors) and a few fb msgs to her and her family and it worked, well i think it did, its either that or she realised she is in breach of court and if i took her back she would get prosecuted. Anyways it dont matter im seeing my daughter again.

In my letter i said i would seek counselling and try and sort my anger issues out. This past few days my circumstances have changed and i need to find a new home and relocate etc so im going to struggle to pay for the counselling as its £70 an hour round here. I messaged the centre coordinator who knows of the letter i sent and the idea i seek counselling, i said i may not be able to afford the counselling at the moment, and as it was my suggestion and nothing to do with my court order can the session on the 7th with my daughter still go ahead,???? The coordinator replied with "the mother will only let you see scarlett if you have been to counselling". i didnt reply to that as i didnt want to go on at the coordinator but can the mother do that??...if the mother is setting the conditions whats the point in having a court order in place??

I know you will all say just go to the counselling and im going to try but scene as i suggested it and it has zero to do with the court can she still refuse to attend the centre if i genuinely couldnt afford to go to the counselling sessions?

Difficult to advice.
Follow the law is always a good principle, difficult I know.

Motion the judge and say the terms of custody are not being complied with. However, your priority is settling somewhere but how can you do this as well as keeping contact with your daughter? It's irrelevant where you visit your daughter at the centre anyway. The centre is not the law they just represent children's interests. Tell your partner if she does not give you contact you will go to court to ask for an order to vary the contract terms.

[leclerc]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Motion the judge and say the terms of custody are not being complied with. However, your priority is settling somewhere but how can you do this as well as keeping contact with your daughter? It's irrelevant where you visit your daughter at the centre anyway. The centre is not the law they just represent children's interests. Tell your partner if she does not give you contact you will go to court to ask for an order to vary the contract terms.

http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...071#post604071

For info OpenLaw15, spirit was quoting a post a few pages back. They are quoting the OP on this thread and considering what others issues are in play I would not be making any threats to the mother of the child at this time. I might ask a solicitor to write in regards to it but not the OP

[t135t0]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

Hi Guys,

Its been a couple of weeks since this thread was last updated, there has been another visit with my daughter that has not been complied with by the mother so now i am thinking of an enforcement order. just to recap the mother stopped contact dec 21st due to alleged messages sent via fb to somebody not involved or even related to myself or my daughter or the situation. This is still ongoing and the police have not contacted me for 3 weeks as it has not been resolved and the cps have not made a decision yet.

I am here today to seek advice on weather i should got for an enforcement order, i have looked into it and it does state a judge will only enforce the order if he is beyond any reasonable doubt the mother is in genuine breach. the mother can produce evidence from texts and facebook conversations that there has been alot of conflict between us and he may side with her, and if that happens the case gets quashed, i dont see my daughter for another 3 months as i will have to file a new order and start from scratch and the mother goes away laughing. Yes there is evidence i have been a pain in the arse, but like i have said many many times, no threats and no abuse towards my daughter or the mother, and i have attended all court arrange sessions at the contact centre. Contact was stopped on dec 21st, on feb 6th there would have been 3 unprovoked breaches, i have also attended 2 counselling sessions this past two weeks at £60 per hour, and have another 6 booked up for the forth coming weeks so i think i have a good case.

Since contact was stopped on Dec21st, i have not made much contact with the mother or her family, once or twice a week i have text to offer money and asked for contact to resume but i have had no reply, i am now mediating through the contact centre lady who is being very helpful. I have also emailed the mother a letter asking for contact to resume and invited her to mediation at which i had no reply. the reason for the texts and the letter is so i can show court i have tried to make steps to resolve it without asking for another hearing

So, shall i go for an enforcement order or shall i start from scratch with a c100, be cruel to me, be kind, be whatever you want as i need honesty..

Thank you

[mariefab]

Re: The mother dictating the order?

I can't offer you any advice about enforcement but...
As you are now mediating through the contact centre lady I'd suggest that you stop sending the mother texts. Also, it would look better if you sent money (perhaps through the mediator) instead of offering it along with a request.