Dismissal after staff party

[Johnboy007]

Re: Dismissal after staff party

I am not bitter but theft is theft

Innocent until proven guilty, I think that should be your comment.
No-one has had a hearing, so guilt has not been established.
It was merely the action of a new manager. Probably trying to make an impression.
OP stated that some members of staff took a bottle of drink home with full knowledge of the manager at the time.
How can you steal what has been given to you? I.E. drink labelled 'for staff use'.
No-one seems to be willing to answer this question.
It all depends on what the conditions were attached, on staff use of the drink.
If none was stipulated, has been happening for many years, and general knowledge to staff, then custom and practice has been established.
Therefore, there is no question of theft.

[PAWS]

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This is not the same as the staff simply helping themselves as and when or stealing with an aim to profit from theft. These employees understood they could take these bottles home as they did the previous year. Now technically the new manager might use the words theft and steal as his reasons for dismissing them but I certainly would not use them myself as I believe AlfieJack’s account and believe no one intended to do anything dishonest.
The problem is that the previous managers allowed this but it might not have been sanctioned by head office. In that case the previous Managers are unlikely to back you up and say it was common practice if they are still employed by the group /chain.

[FlamingParrot]

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This is not the same as the staff simply helping themselvesas and when or stealing with an aim to profit from theft. These employees understood they could take these bottles home as they did the previous year. Now technically the new manager might use the words theft and steal as his reasons for dismissing them but I certainly would not use them myselfas I believe AlfieJack’s account and believe no one intended to do anything dishonest.

I totally agree with this, I very much doubt they would have put their jobs at risk for the sake of a bottle of wine that's probably not worth more than £10! And if they were aware that they were doing something unlawful (stealing), they would have taken the bottles any other time when no-one was watching as anyone stealing with intention would.

The problem is that the previous managers allowed this but it might not have been sanctioned by head office. In that case the previous Managers are unlikely to back you up and say it was common practice if they are still employed by the group /chain.

And if they are no longer employed there, how would you find them to ask them to back you up?

[PAWS]

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£10! Probably only cost the chain £3.00. Miserable sods.
Another impressive display of smilies I see!

[FlamingParrot]

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£10! Probably only cost the chain £3.00. Miserable sods.
Another impressive display of smilies I see!

I quoted the highest possible price I could think of!

[Johnboy007]

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Where has all the Christmas spirit gone?

The staff have taken it home............

[wales01man]

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All I can say is when someone steals Property belonging to anyone who thinks theft is okay they dont go running to the Police then.
We are all guessing what this is really about was there more drink going walkabout was the Manager trying to get rid of some staff for Bussiness reasons?
As usual we get a thread started with maybe only half of the Story Leaves all of us who comment thjinking a million and one things happened.

[Johnboy007]

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All I can say is when someone steals Property belonging to anyone who thinks theft is okay they dont go running to the Police then.
We are all guessing what this is really about was there more drink going walkabout was the Manager trying to get rid of some staff for Bussiness reasons?
As usual we get a thread started with maybe only half of the Story Leaves all of us who comment thjinking a million and one things happened.

Gives us something to talk about though............

[wales01man]

Re: Dismissal after staff party

Johnboy007
We are a sad bunch! LOL

[FlamingParrot]

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All I can say is when someone steals Property belonging to anyone who thinks theft is okay they dont go running to the Police then.
We are all guessing what this is really about was there more drink going walkabout was the Manager trying to get rid of some staff for Bussiness reasons?
As usual we get a thread started with maybe only half of the Story Leaves all of us who comment thjinking a million and one things happened.

Those were also my thoughts. :mmph: It is clear these guys didn't set out to steal from their employer and if you had a member of staff that you were otherwise satisfied with, who made a mistake like this, you would just have a word with him. Employers often make a decision to get rid of certain people for whatever reason, then set out to look for arguments they can use. Sad but true.

[jon1965]

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Sad ain't the word for it, could be worse...we could be on certain other sites ..oops I am

There is undoubtedly more to this than we are being told,

Just for the record, theft is theft and if you do the crime you have to be prepared to take the punishment so I do not think anyone is really saying that theft is OK

[FlamingParrot]

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Sad ain't the word for it, could be worse...we could be on certain other sites ..oops I am

There are quite a few of them! :ohwell:

There is undoubtedly more to this than we are being told,

There is indeed, but I suspect the guys involved are not aware of it either... :mmph:

Just for the record, theft is theft and if you do the crime you have to be prepared to take the punishment so I do not think anyone is really saying that theft is OK

Ah, but is this actually theft? Going by what was posted here, I'd say

[wales01man]

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Are there REALLY other sites like this. Have to think Amethyst is very VERY tolerant of us lot

[jon1965]

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am not convinced it is theft either , more of a misunderstanding although we may never know. I was just replying to walesman's comment about people who thought theft was ok.
Of course the odd packet of quavers is a different matter :incourt:

[Amethyst]

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Are there REALLY other sites like this. Have to think Amethyst is very VERY tolerant of us lot

lol, I think it may be the other way around at times xx