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  • Marlin v MrF

    This week I have received a claim from Marlin via Mortimer Clarke Solicitors.

    The claim has come from Northampton bulk centre

    The date of issue is 18/09/14
    Received 22/09/14
    Amount of claim is well over £10000 plus interest of over £5000. The total is well in excess of £15000!

    The particulars of claim are as follows (note that the amounts have been slightly altered to anonymise the post):

    By an agreement between Egg Banking plc ("EGG") & the defendant on or around 17/03/2001
    ("the Agreement") EGG agreed to issue the Defendant with a credit card upon the terms & conditions set out therein. In breach of the agreement the defendant failed to make the minimum payments due and the agreement was terminated. The agreement was assigned to the claimant on 31/01/2013.
    THE CLAIMANT THEREFORE CLAIMS:
    1. £well over 10000
    2. Interest pursuant to section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984, namely £over 5000 & continuing until judgment or sooner payment at the rate of 3.31.



    I've acknowledged service

    I've sent a CPR request to mortimer clarke

    I was about to sent a CCA request to Marlin, however, they have not included an account number in their claim. Therefore this makes it difficult to make the CCA request. Any advice on what to do here would be helpful. Do I just ask them for the CCA referring to any accounts in my name?

    There are a few things that i'd like to discuss here.

    1. The date of the agreement they have stated is incorrect. I still have a copy of this agreement and the date they have stated is around a week off the correct date. This makes me think that they do not have a copy of the original.

    2. The claim does not mention an account number. Again, this raises concerns in respect of them having no docs.

    3. They're trying to pull the wool over someones eyes with regards the interest claimed. However, this wool is 50% cotton. I am pretty sure they can't apply this interest until once judgement is entered, which it hasn't yet. Am I correct?

    4. They have paid a pretty high court fee to bring this claim which I would have thought would mean they think they are in a good position.

    Note that I keep ALL of my documents and have them all scanned from the last 25 years. Yes, I know, it's a bit OCD.

    So yes, i have a copy of the agreement, the default notice and the assignment to cross reference with anything they say they have.

    With regards payments made the last one was made on the date they issued exactly 6 years previously according to my records, the payment did not bring the account up-to-date and the cause of action was a few months before that date - three months arrears. So they may have just got in on the statute barred date - whether they would be able to prove this is another matter - its so close that it might be worth arguing.

    I'll keep everyone posted as to how I get on.

    MrF

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    Re: Marlin v MrF

    Just a quick update on this one.

    I sent off a 31.14 request to Mortimer Clark that was acknowledged saying that they were referring to their client.

    No docs were received so i chased them again and also asked for an agreement to extend time for submitting defence. They agreed to a 28 days extension. This expires in a couple of weeks and i have still not received any docs.

    I am considering making a N244 application for an order for them to provide docs 7 days before the defence is due or the claim be struck out should they not comply.

    The claim is still with Northampton BCC as I am yet to submit a defence - how can I? I don't know what they are talking about?

    So the advice I am looking for is how do I submit the N244. Do I complete a form and email it to the court with a draft order attached? Then call them to make payment for the application?

    Any advice from anyone who has done this would be helpful - particularly what the content of the draft order should be. Thanks.

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      Re: Marlin v MrF

      Hi Mr F, Apologies for missing your first post.

      Information for the N244 application on CPR 31.14 is http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...order-at-court - there's an example of the draft order in there too.

      As your claim is in fast track ( over £10k) there should be no excuse for them not to provide the documents mentioned in their statement of case. They definatley mention the agreement and terms however they don't specifically mention the notice of assignment or default notice - so you may not be able to get those under the CPR application, however I'd keep them in if you asked for them in you CPR request as they are required for them to enforce the debt through court. But just a warning they might argue against those being 'mentioned'.

      Interest - Statutory interest is payable from when the debt becomes due to the claimant, to the date of judgment, so basically from when they first asked you to pay them (when you got the notice of assignment really) although there are arguments that s.69 interest shouldn't apply to CCA debt, I believe that fails once the agreement is terminated and often it is allowed for within the terms of the agreement anyway.

      So yes, i have a copy of the agreement, the default notice and the assignment to cross reference with anything they say they have.
      Excellent.

      The stat barred issue does sound very tight so the more CCA issues you have to rely on the better.

      Just shout if you need anything, if you don't get a reply within a couple hours it is always okay to pm someone with a nudge xx

      Sharon
      xx
      #staysafestayhome

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        Re: Marlin v MrF

        Good evening

        I'm seeking a little guidance with this.

        I've submitted an application with a draft order along to enforce inspection of documents otherwise to strike out. I emailed this to the court and included a witness statement. This was to Northampton BCC.

        I then received an email back for them to say that my application had been rejected as i needed to pay a £50 fee for an application for an extension.

        I called them today to pay the fee so that I could resubmit. I was told not to make the application and to simply complete my defence saying that i had requested the documents yet the claimant had not provided them and therefore i do not know to which account they refer.

        This bothers me as i'm guessing that if i do submit a defence then it will be transferred to my court, i'll get a hearing date, the claimant will pay a fee, and then MAY discontinue. I think that this drags it out too much and that they should have had their house in order from the outset and is allowing them to abuse the court process.

        Do I go along with it? Submit a defence saying that i do not know what they are talking about and that despite CPR 31.14 requests they have not provided any documentation mentioned in their claim?

        I'm also a bit miffed that the court talked me out of following a perfectly reasonable course of action.

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        • #5
          Re: Marlin v MrF

          And my defence is due next week

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            Re: Marlin v MrF

            Was this the Northampton court call centre staff advising you ?

            Did you pay the fee with your application, and was it made on an N244.

            Just read back, no you are in fast track... hmmmm I'll read back.
            #staysafestayhome

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            • #7
              Re: Marlin v MrF

              I was also concerned that they were offering advice too.

              I didn't pay the fee the first time i submitted it a few days ago as i was asking that the claimant pay the fee. The court then responded to say application rejected as fee not paid and that is why i called today to pay the fee using debit card and then resubmit the application. At which point i was "advised". Yes the app was made on a N244, included a witness statement, evidence i'd sent 31.14 requests and a draft order. The claim is well over £10k.

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              • #8
                Re: Marlin v MrF

                Yes you should have paid the fee, you can claim it back off them when you get it granted but upfront you have to pay it. So yes, I'd agree with them rejecting it as you submitted without a fee. But the court staff advising you.... hmmmm.

                I guess they do see a LOT of these cases through and we are submitting 100's of defences based on lack of documentation and they do get similar results to the application.

                I have heard a couple say the court has asked them to pay £50 to apply for an extension lately as well, which is just not right as the extension under CPR 15.5 is an agreement between both parties and the court informed, NOT an application to the court.

                In fast track though you CAN submit your defence AND put in the application, as CPR 31.14 does apply to fast track so it is okay to make after defence and allocation.

                So you could put in a basic 'no docs' defence and put the application in to chivvy up.
                #staysafestayhome

                Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                • #9
                  Re: Marlin v MrF

                  Thanks Amethyst i'll do that. Submit a defence, get it on my own turf and submit the application. As I can then speak with someone face to face at the court.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Marlin v MrF

                    How did you get on with this Mr F ?
                    #staysafestayhome

                    Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                    Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                    • #11
                      Re: Marlin v MrF

                      Quick update on this one.

                      Yes, I know, it has nearly been two years since the action started but yesterday I received a discontinuance. I'm now done, everything else is well stat barred and any that did take action have discontinued - and there has been a few!

                      I'd like to add that it is only with the advice and support from this site that I have been able to fend off these claims and cannot thank you enough.

                      MrF

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                      • #12
                        Re: Marlin v MrF

                        Blimey they took their time, must have been having a review.

                        At least it's over with now Well done xxxx
                        #staysafestayhome

                        Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                        Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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